Windows 7 - Not making the same mistakes as Vista
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http://www.crn.com/software/212000771 In the pre-Windows Vista Service Pack 1 days, Vista users were plagued by sluggish boot and shutdown times as well as by faulty device drivers. But according to executives in charge of Windows 7 development, Microsoft (NSDQ:MSFT) is applying the lessons it learned from Vista to avoid repeating its mistakes.
Microsoft is focusing on improving the user experience in Windows 7, and plans to achieve that through better device support, improved system performance and the addition of user interface features such as multitouch
Surely if we add a complicated multitouch system and more blendy user-interface our OS will boot faster!
Even Windows NT 4 was faster than Windows 2000 before Windows 2000 got it's drivers updated, at first the NT 4 drivers were highly optimized and bug free.
Same happened with Windows 2000 vs 2003.
Same will happen with XP vs 7.
People who just want a simple OS which boots fast, takes no memory and works with their peripherials, will have to wait until 7 gets its drivers updated, like always.
If I can switch back to Windows 2000 UI in 7, I might even consider it, if it supports DirectX10.
The mistake it's making which is the same as Vista, is that it's another version of Windows ;-)
Just jokin'.
If I can switch back to Windows 2000 UI in 7, I might even consider it, if it supports DirectX10.
I can't see M$ making another iteration of DirectX just for Windows 7.. they just made 10.
The mistake it's making which is the same as Vista, is that it's another version of Windows ;-)
Good joke, though. XD You may be interrested in this
image I made a few months ago. ^_^
Erm... Sluggish boot times?? I've booted our Vista & XP machines side-by-side, and they come out neck & neck, give or take a few seconds either way. Shutdown's almost immediate too, as well as logons & logoffs.
Personally, I don't think there's anything WRONG with Vista, and I haven't experienced any of the major issues people were complaining about. Of course, we didn't get our Vista machine at the beginning, so it's probably SP 1 or 2 (is there a Vista SP 2?). The fault still ultimately lies with Microsoft, though; they released Vista while it was essentially still in Beta form, which, as any decent computer business person will tell you, is a MAJOR mistake for anything other than freeware or open-source stuff. All Microsoft needs to do this time is actually STABILIZE, FINALIZE and COMPLETE Windows 7 BEFORE launching it, and they'll have a decent product. Not that I'm hoping for anything big.
It seems to be in trend to release buggy software, because business wants to be fast on the market.
However, smart consumers are not fooled. They know that there is no OpenGL 3.0 just because marketing people said so, it's OpenGL 2.2 at best.
Windows 7 is not better than XP or even Vista, if it comes out too soon. XP SP3 was a failure too, and it gives you a hint that any new products will be even worse.
Techical people want back to older, more stable software.
Marketing people want to sell more buggy software.
I would have used Vista, if it would have worked, but I never got any of my required drivers to work with it: Lotus Quickr, VNC server, Ext3 file system. They all work fine in XP, and I need them daily.
A book (I think it was a book, or maybe CPU mag...) I read awile back had the following joke:
Q: "Who are Microsoft's Beta testers?"
A: "Their customers."
LOL. Sad, yet true. I'm holding off on Vista because I'm not entirely certain 100% of my programs will run on it. I may just get a dual boot system, but right now there's no real compelling reason to 'upgrade' to Vista. The only really appealing reason would be DX10 games, but there's maybe three games that take advantage of it. Plus, it obliterates any backwards compatibillity it used to have. :-(
When Photoshop, <insert program you can't live/work without> becomes Vista-only, then I'll upgrade. Right now, everything works fine.
Hopefully Windows 7 won't be the same catastrophy.
The thing that frustrates me the most is that you can't buy a new computer with XP. That's fine since I usually build mine, but for a laptop you're out of luck (unless you're brave enough to build you own, but good luck doing it for < $1000). MS is forcing new computer buyers to use a OS that still isn't up to XP's standards.
I'm not against MS or anything, I just think they could do things a little better.
The only really appealing reason would be DX10 games, but there's maybe three games that take advantage of it. Plus, it obliterates any backwards compatibillity it used to have. :-(
You're listening to too much noise.
Most games that run in XP, will run in Vista. This odd rumour of "everything before DirectX10 will stop working" refers to the DirectX SDK which no longer supports older versions of DirectX. Yet the entire point has been distorted somewhat in a Chinese whisper-like fashion.
Maybe XP-based games, but forget about the already spotty compatibility for Win95/98 games. That's what I meant - I expect at least semi-recent XP games to run without much trouble.
I for one wouldn't go back to XP after using Vista a couple of weeks. There's too many convenient new things that make it MUCH more usefull than XP. Especially coming from an artists perspective with lots of media.
The new search, and thumbnails, especially the thumbnails in the overwrite dialogue make life so much easier when your jugglin textures and images with common names. It's all good and far quicker than XP ever was for every day WIMP stuff.
The thing that frustrates me the most is that you can't buy a new computer with XP.
I just ordered a new laptop for running old DOS programs which are needed for the company. It comes with Vista, and as I can't find my XP CD anymore, I will just have to fdisk the harddrive and install PCLinuxOS2007, it runs DOS programs even better than XP. Besides the laptop will be in an enviroment where users just want to use it, and not reboot it and apply windows patches. I think Linux fits the purpose quite good, as it's self-repairing and doesn't need to be rebooted for patches (unless there is a kernel patch).
Interesting.. I didn't know PCLinux could run DOS. Sadly, the only way Linux is going to be an option for most is the compatibility for all their old and XP programs.
PCLinux doesn't run DOS programs any better than Ubuntu, openSUSE or Fedora, but it's just damn much easier to maintain and setup. Ubuntu is about the most difficult Linux to setup because you need to know how to install nvidia drivers using a 3rd party hacking tool. However, Ubuntu runs Windows programs better than any other Linux I've seen.
Talk about being ashamed of Vista and sweeping it rapidly under the carpet! ..
http://www.itproportal.com/articles/2008/11/08/windows-7-could-be-launched-december-2009-says-microsoft/ Altogether Windows 7 should be a different beast; faster, simpler and less bloated than Windows Vista, requiring a maximum of 8GB of disk space only
8GB *ONLY*? .. That's not bad. Certainly better than the stupidly big 15GB install of Vista. I was hoping for something a little lower though, around 1.5GB install like good ol' XP
Another welcome feature being touted is "Instance On" so you can access things like the internet without having to wait 2 minutes for Windows to load and settle down:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/Yes, I know this tech already exists ->
http://www.splashtop.comNow I wait for MS to take the glory and call their version an innovative new feature
Lumooja: Have you tried Ubuntu 8.04. I recently re-installed my machine with it and XP after getting a new drive. Installing the nvidia drivers was a no brainer (e.g. Ubuntu has detected you have an nvidia card, do you want to download and install 3rd party drivers. Click Yes, enter password...done).
I ran en emulated version of Mac OS 7 on my parents XP machine a couple of years ago to retrieve some ancient files they had in Mac Write II format (sigh) and other stuff. The speed of it was insane though. It booted in around 5 seconds, and everything was more or less instant...and this was running in emulation! If the software had stagnated 15 or so years ago, but the computers had kept evolving, we would have insanely fast machines (though with limited capabilities). :)
Hmmm...I think I drifted OT there....oh well.
hmm, Vista ultimate is allready smaller than 8GB with all the bells and whistles.
Shitty arse backwards pap... Can we talk about something else?
MS wifey basher will only lock horns with MS vaccine creator when it comes to a thread like this!
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Lumooja, if you need to run DOS programs, won't DOSbox be perfect for the job?
I somewhat suspect one of the survey options isnt Firefox :)
Windows 7 - Not making the same mistakes as Vista
No they will just be making lots of new ones and charging you more for it.
Hmm from what i've read it sounds nice so far. Will be interesting to see how much will available in the final version then but it if they don't make the same mistakes again this could be the update for all those still using XP. I'm curious about the gesture aspect.