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I came across an interesting article that proposes a relatively easy way to do something for the environment... soil remineralisation with rock dust. If this sounds wacky, please read at least a bit of the article below before casting judgement. Please forward the link to a few friends from your e-mail address book and get them to do likewise if you think it's useful.

http://www.esmhome.org/library/agriculture/the_survival_of_civilization.pdf

One project here in the UK showing corroborating evidence:

http://www.seercentre.org.uk/

They even had some press shots featuring the ultra famous David Bellamy (rare shpeshamen), so it has to be a winner!

Isn't this from the same country that says Brits should stop reproducing to save the planet?

What's your point?

Hey I think that's pretty cool, thanks for sharing.

(His point is he's a skeptic concerning any global issue/organization.)

What? Stop polluting?

It doesn't sound wacky at all. It sounds like at best a band-aid for a broken leg, at worst addressing the wrong issue.

Unfortunately, in real science, corroborating evidence is a logical fallacy.

That their scientific standards might not exactly hold up under scrutiny?

Looks like someone had an idea and then, by degrees, fooled themselves into beliving it.

Learn not to fool yourself - Richard Feynmans advice to the wise.

It's true that the single biggest thing you can do for the environment is not have kids, which I've failed at twice, but I'm stopping there. The second biggest thing is going Vegan so that you cut out all the wasted farmland (and rainforest) and resources including oil that are required to farm meat. At least I've succeeded on that front for 19 years. Everything else is basically small fry, but we do our best with bit's n bobs here and there. Of course you can do something bigger if you can *influence* a large number of people to change to more ethical habits...

Hey, grey, makes two of us, im vegan too so good on you. Also have no kids, or intend too.

I think people need to be less greedy and wasteful. We just waste so many resources when we could reuse them over and over.

Well I will agree that it will cull those genetically prone to become impressionable PC morons. It's a pity you don't follow your own advice. The whole "carbon footprint" thing is just another ploy to make you feel like your existence is a burden, even though the British birthrate is below replacement levels. It's pretty obvious what is happening.

And share them. For example I give away 10% of my personal income.

:-o yeah and the pie-eating overweight masses shall inherit (and destroy) the earth, great. I think it's good that more people are taking an interest in living ethically, although I prefer to do it "positively" instead of "guiltily". It's a shame that not everyone partakes (yet), but I'll do my bit and gradually influence those around me indirectly (direct influence just puts up barriers). Trying to live ethically is not the same as being PC at all, I hate most PC crap, but I care about what I put into and on my body (food/water/chemicals/air etc) and what effect I have on the environment.

I think two kids is fine as it sustains the population and it's my primary genetic purpose on this planet to have kids, but I've decided on two for moderation.

Wow.

The best thing you can do for the environment, is stop driving a car, stop using a computer, and stop using the Internet. The resources consumed in a cows short lifespan, is dwarfed by the enormous amount of resources required to build, manufacture and maintain a sound IT infrastructure.

But I bet that's just a little too inconvenient, compared to just being a fussy eater.

Good. It's probably for the better if you don't give your eating disorder on to anyone else.

Hey, survival of the fittest baby!

Really? How is having a diet that causes billions of farmland animals to die horrible, painful deaths by being ripped to shreds in a combine harvester possibly compatible to living ethically? You're opposed to the clinical slaughter of animals that exist for no other purpose than food (and clothing), but are perfectly fine by cruelly murdering animals born free and living in the wild?

By whose standards, is that "living ethically"?

No. The Politically Correct are seldom that self-deluded about their particular brand of crazy.

Of course two malnourished kids probably won't make much of a difference. Living ethically indeed.

Surely Vegetarians should be saving vegtables, after all humanitarians save humans above all else? ;)

Flameduck: All anti-vegan flaming just bounces off me because I've heard all the same totally uninformed drivel spouted for years. The point about farming for meat is that you have to use *way* more land to grow "feed" for cattle than if humans just ate the "feed" themselves; so feeding meet animals increases any "cruelly murdering animals born free and living in the wild" exponentially. Especially seeing as one of the main causes for deforestation of rainforests (resulting in the killing of *many* animals and even human inhabitants) is to grow soya to feed cattle (not to feed Vegans who tend to get ethically farmed organic soya from approved sources). Also the farm machinery required to take care of the cattle uses *way* more oil than my rarely driven car (I work at home). Did you get that before you unthinkingly auto-flamed? Go and eat a pie and think about it.

You should just kill yourself. You would be so damned virtuous and PC. Everyone would be jealous of your moral superiority.

Shocked!

I like warm weather, sorry. Selfish as it is, you only live once and with retarded politics governing us, i'll choose to focus my defenses on my own freedom rather then taking more of them away from myself.

And if logic met minds more often, it would be clear this planets already screwed, whether we destroy it even more or not. So i'm going to do my part, and continue having campfires, and eating extremely delicious meat. I live by optimization.

I care, but no action or amount of 'caring' is going to do any good in the real end...in reality it would make sense if it only delayed the inevitable; yay?

But hey, the inevitable still looks to be far away (at least in our lifetime), so we're good. Oh yeah, and "god" will bring back life once he lets it demolish itself AGAIN, right?

And yet with these outlooks, i'm a very happy person (Maybe because I feel that I don't lie to myself on a daily basis?), so don't get too angry or feel sorry for me.

Eat meat...it's a treat.

Vegetarians live actually quite healthy, their only problem is that their brains rot, since they don't get animal protein from their vegetables.

I'm mostly a vegetarian too, as my main food is beer and cigarettes, and coffee and tea. Sometimes I eat however bloody steaks too since my job needs brain power.

They can get protein from peanut butter supposedly..

Yeah, but vegetable protein does not replace animal protein. It might give somekind of artificial intelligence, but not real intelligence to the brains.

However, vegetable fat is more healthy than animal fat. And the good thing about bloody steaks is that they have only very little fat, I think they are like 80% fat-free.

I couldnt imagine life without bacon... *Dabz drools*

Seriously though, nature itself made the world it is today... As soon as the world was born our name was written on it... Maybe in a little way our polluting/reckless practices towards the world is part of the evolution of our planet...

Nature itself can seriously screw things up... With 5 mass extinction periods documented. An amazing statistic is that 99% of ALL things thats ever lived on this planet is gone... No help by mankind on that level.

Yes, we breed like rabbits, yes we eat meat, yes, we are pretty much the most ungrateful specis thats probably ever existed on this planet... But we are what we are... And what ever we become in the future, its not down to mankind in the greater scheme of things... Its down to force that we have yet to understand fully...

And yes, that's nature!

I pollute, I eat dead animals, I like a leg-over, I plan to have kids, I waste water... I AM HUMAN!!!!

*My 2p... And I want change!!!!* :P

Dabz

The unfortunate part for us is that we 'are' smarter then the rest of the species, so we are given the chance to be more responsible.

But if we aren't, is it not as natural as dog eat dog? lol

Why should I be "grateful" for my existence? Because the government decides I am not too much of a drain on resources yet?

It's not England polluting the earth. They don't even have any concept of the environment in China and India, and they still use coal-burning plants. Why aren't you telling the Chinese to commit to malnutrition?:
http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1661031_1661028,00.html

Top ten polluted cities in the world:
10. Linfen, China
9. Tianying, China
8. Sukinda, India
7. Vapi, India
6. La Oroya, Peru
5. Dzerzhinsk, Russia
4. Norilsk, Russia
3. Chernobyl, Ukraine
2. Sumgayit, Azerbaijan
1. Kabwe, Zambia

Hmmm, don't see England on that list. Maybe we should stop feeding Zambia until they clean up their act. Oh wait, no, we need to starve ourselves and send tons of food to Africa so the warlords can sell it and buy more guns, which is what usually happens.

Coal pollution in China. King Edward banned coal burning in England in 1306. At least they knew back then they had a problem.