net neutrality, what are your thoughts?

Watch the video and discuss, could this mean end to internet and everything that we are doing here? I mean all your projects and what Mark is doing could be over if what these guys are speaking is true

http://ipower.ning.com/netneutrality

in any case spread the word. admin don't lock this, it's important thing and it's connected to us all

I can believe it. The small group that owns the vast majority of the media (and just about everything else) in the 'free' world want to control the new frontier. As usual, they move by stealth. Fight it at all costs.

Will never happen, AOL, Real Network and Yahoo! can try as much as they like to install their toolbars and "live" accounts and stuff, I don't need this garbage.

..well..I would like to kick some butts but I have no idea what to do regarding this issue..I can burn some flags and stuff..

Corporates vs the free world... Internet is NOT free!!! If you want to connect, you need to make an account with an ISP and most are monthly $$$. Meaning that there is where they currently get their initial cash. Taxing internet on top of this is nonsense. Paying a tax and be restrained to say 200 pre-selected sites is absolute nonsense! It just sounds like some rogue enterprises are aiming for controlling the internet in their own venues and making mass profit, but who would actually be interested? Would it be compelling? And then why even bother with the internet if it's turned into this? I already pay for a cable tv, cellphone, ISP, now what?.......... No this is nonsense!

I don't believe it, because if the 'big ISP providers' do this, than they will go out of business. And the 'small ISP providers' that don't do this will become the big boys :\.

It's just human nature to go for the better deal.

Aside from the fact, today's society is basicly dependant on the internet for easy information. There's no way that this would be tolerated. It would cause economic issues, think of how many businesses sell online.

Just seems impossible :\

visiting moon seemed impossible

I'm with you brother Naughty Alien, I feel like doing "Fight Club".

Btw they did the same thing to radio, before it was possible for anyone to broadcast and be listened by anyone else but today it's not, you need licenses and it's complicated to setup.

"They" want to control the internet and "they" will try to take it over. I think something like this may happen and 5-10 years, its not going to happer over night, its more like slipery rope, first one thing which we all accept, then next small thing and next and next and before you know it we have lots what we knew as the internet and the best thing about it is all seemed natural, since it was transition. There is possibility that it could happen. We need to start blowing up some shit and burning down some companies to send them fakkers a warning, dont mess with internet :)

Well anything is possible, by impossible I should say very very very _VERY_ unlikely, mostly because of economic issues.

if it happens the internet won't be the internet anymore

Hmmm i always thought that someday it could happen that the net changes in a way that those who control the infrastructure, the access and the content could take over and change the rules how the net can be accessed and what will be allowed. Maybe an alternative net will show up then too. At least things like the end are good for a new start or good music...

-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbI5K0AzNHI&feature=related

The whole net neutrality debate is a joke. If greedy phone companies want to commit financial suicide by imposing artificial bandwidth limitations on heavy bandwidth sites, let them.

Does anyone seriously think anyone is going to chose an ISP who restricts bandwidth on popular sites like YouTube? Look at the backlash Virgin Media got over their brilliant bandwidth throttling idea.

There's only one reason to fight for Net Neutrality. And it only applies if you're a virgin. No pun intended.

Actually the only really interesting thing on that neutrality page is a very nice pair of breasts owned and proudly displayed by Tanya I believe. They make one remember the true meaning of life and it's definitely not the web of any kind. :-)

Barney

The problem is that there are a lot of areas (especially in the US) where there only IS one broadband player in town.

Typically there's only one cable company and one local phone company -- and there's plenty of towns/cities where you don't even have the choice between DSL or cable -- there's just a single company providing it. just because your broadband is getting crippled and sucks, doesn't always mean that people will run away en masse -- if your other choice is dialup, most people would just suck it up and stick with it anyway.

THAT is where net neutrality is imperative -- Many people are going to be forced to put up with second class internet without it, simply because they don't have the option of switching to a better place.

And even if you do have the choice between cable & the phone company -- if they make a deal among themselves to both implement those kind of limitations at the same time, the end user still has absolutely no alternatives available to them.

for a fair, level playing field net neutrality is a huge deal... But the monopolies do see a nice little cash cow on the horizon, so they'll do anything they can to get those initiatives squashed... Which blows.

Not gonna happen, there is too big a market for people who want full access and it would be just too tempting for someone to take advantage of that market share.

Also ISP's are just beggining to to get used to the idea that, they a) know who you are and your basic demographics & b) the web sites you visit. These two bits of knowledge joined together are worth a lot of money to the right people.

I wouldn't be supprised to see a 'free' broadband, ad sponsored and limited to certain sites shortly though.

It might happen if the big boys cut their prices so much, they put the smaller companies out of business. No competition left, so they can do what they please.

If they do what they want and people dissagree there is room for competition again.

In code it would like this :

'bigbusiness.bmx
repeat

  while smallbusiness = true
    compete
  wend

  while smallbusiness = false
    do what we want
  wend

forever

See the loop? XD

Sorry, but there really isn't anyone to blame for that but yourself. If you're willing to put up with a substandard service, that's exactly what you're gonna get. Surely a developed country like the US has an extensive 3G network? Once the big businesses start crippling your DSL/Cable, 3G mobile networks will be able to compete. It's a win-win situation.

I know what you mean, Mark, but we live in an age of monopolies, and if they make this decision, people will have little alternative, at least in the short to mid term.

I am surprised this thread has generated so little discussion. It could be a red herring, but it's something that potentially affects us all.

The girl at the beginning has a nice rack but I'm not buying it (the story, not the boobies), I smell a hoax here. For people who are supposed to be concerned about internet issues they seem pretty ignorant about how the net works too.

I've seen a few of these before too, wasn't everything supposed to stop working in 2000?

Darkheart

At the price of several hundred million euro that they have to pay to the EU per year if they are EU active for missusing monopoly, illegal practices and contracts (as that kind would need to be fully part of the contract including each site basically) and potentially even more.

Making hot air with telling that you are planning to do it is one thing. Doing it and getting cought thought within europe is a totally different thing.

Will the web porn industry let their 100 billion dollars ( http://internet-filter-review.toptenreviews.com/internet-pornography-statistics.html ) customers to be simply locked out from access to their sites? I don't think so. If anything, it's not the web users that will do something against those ISPs but those multi-billion dollars enterprises that will step in and say: "No, just no. Behave."