Is Classical Music copyrighted?

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For example, I made a midi based on Beethoven's music, should I pay to him?

He's dead for a long while....

http://www.pdinfo.com/

I believe the answer is no - but recorded performances of his music are.

(By the way, Beethoven rocks!)

As long as you performed it and arranged it yourself (ie did not copy exactly anyone elses performance of it) then i think you are fine.

So dont go sampling the L.P.O. playing it :)

Hmm... those are ear-dump and with some re-arrange as starndard MIDI, I'm actually willing to pay royalty if it's required.

I also bought some classical music material for FruityLoops, thry're used in medival RPG so I think chip-tunes or rock-n-roll won't be usable.

Yep, it's only the performance/recording that´s copyrighted material. If it`s more than 99 years old (depending on wherever you live), than it`s no longer copyrighted.

Alternetive is to sample parts of a copyrightet song and clip it into new one with difirent speed.

think of it super mario bross in slowmotion mixed with giana sisters... (shold get somone upset)

the music industry is verry strange to me.

Wings: recording an existing recording and remixing it still violates the performers copyrights. Whether or not they'll find out is another question, but that doesn't make it legal.

(IIRC some musician succesfully sued a keyboard maker in the past because one of their instrument samples was based on a single-note recording of one of his performances... Don't remember the details now)

same with books
shakespear is well out of copyright but you just cant go photocoping pages willy nilly
sids its cheaper to buy the book than the cost per page

someone typed the complete works verbatam
now i dont see him qualifying to any claims as s/he posted it for free on the net
it has not stopped people buying the books though
and you could justify printing out from the website and selling the book as all they did was type it up for you
you could have also bought the books pre internet days and re typed it all by hand and printed it out your own way

back to the music
aye he may be dead and buried but its the performance that is copyrighted not the music itself
so if you are using classical music youd need to get permission and pay royalties or a one off licence fee or risk getting stammed on just as much as if you made a gta with an eminem song he didnt say you could use

i dont know if the midi file works in the same way as the shakespear analogy
if it was verbatum from the sheet music then all they did was save you the time and effort of doing it yourself
if they put themselves into the playing of the music then your on dodgy ground

Yeah, but isn't The Planets (Holst) still coprighted in any form? I certainly remember Manfred Mann had to do a deal with Imogen Holst some years ago when they wanted to use a tune in one of their songs.

And E M Forster's stuff is still copyrighted in any form.

Yeah, but isn't The Planets (Holst) still coprighted in any form?

Well he didn't die until the 1930's so it probably wasn't/isn't out of copyright.

And E M Forster's stuff is still copyrighted in any form.

I should certainly hope so, he's only been dead 30 or 40 years.

if you read the notes on songs (especially rnb and dance) yu see alot of "contains a sample of bla bla bla written by yah yah yah licenced by do do do"
the prodigy liked the early stranger danger videos so used the charly says but they still had to get permission to do it first (or when underground they just DID it and it was the post signing and formulating the album legalities that got the lable asking for permission)

so if you use a sample you need permission
if you want to do a cover i dont know if you have to get permission or weither you just have to pay the correct royalties to the composers
eg if you do like a virgin you dont approach madonna but the guys that wrote it
she wouldnt get a penny cos she only gets paid for HER version and any samples used from it

Here's an extract from the U.K. copyright law Fact sheet P-01: UK Copyright Law

Duration of copyright

The 1988 Copyright, Designs and Patents Act states the duration as;

1. For literary, dramatic, musical or artistic works

70 years from the end of the calendar year in which the last remaining author of the work dies.

If the author is unknown, copyright will last for 70 years from end of the calendar year in which the work was created, although if it is made available to the public during that time, (by publication, authorised performance, broadcast, exhibition, etc.), then the duration will be 70 years from the end of the year that the work was first made available.
2. Sound Recordings and broadcasts

50 years from the end of the calendar year in which the work was created, or,

if the work is released within that time: 50 years from the end of the calendar year in which the work was first released.
3. Films

70 years from the end of the calendar year in which the last principal director, author or composer dies.

If the work is of unknown authorship: 70 years from end of the calendar year of creation, or if made available to the public in that time, 70 years from the end of the year the film was first made available.
4. Typographical arrangement of published editions

25 years from the end of the calendar year in which the work was first published.
5. Broadcasts and cable programmes

50 years from the end of the calendar year in which the broadcast was made.

Only the owner, or his exclusive licensee can bring proceedings in the courts.


And here's a place that may be of interest http://law.freeadvice.com/intellectual_property/music_law/