Text based drugs baron game abandoned

Hi, I've decided to abandon my ideas for a text-based scarface-like drugs baron game as I just can't get my head around BlitzMax at all, but would welcome anyone to carry on the idea and perhaps launching it.

The idea was to do an homage or update to Geek Hideout's Drugs Lord 2.2 (http://www.geekhideout.com/) but include these features;

* Gangs in every city (or global gangs)
* Diplomacy between gangs
* Introduction of Political heat, cop heat and gang heat (last 2 nicked from scarface)
* The market should be for small deals and the introduction of leads -> suppliers -> distributers (again nicked from scarface)
* Hiring NPC such as: Hitmen, distributors, informants and gang members
* Introduction of territory and business assets (nicked from GTA) but they can be raided by DEA, cops or other gangs.
* Introduction of bribing police, politicans and other gangs
* The vault (or storage house) should be upgradable, and should be raided by DEA, cops or other gangs.
* Other gangs would have their own vaults, which you can raid.

There were a ton of other ideas I had, but the furthest I got was a list of male/female names and a list of countries.

Ideally, I just wanted to make a version where there was more strategy involved, ie: everything you (or a rival gang) does has a positive or negative effect on political heat, cop heat, gang heat or demand/prices.

Anyway, if there's someone out there who can take this idea forward, and perhaps keep it open source then that'd be great.

As for now, I've decided to move on, perhaps learn C# or something.

Thanks.

Probably didn't need to post this, as I doubt anyone knew or cared. I certainly didn't, and I even read the worklogs now and then.

I like how you ask someone else to make your game for you though, it's funny.

Why do you think you can do this game in C# if you can't get your head round BlitzMax?

Have you tried Blitz+, most people would consider it easyer.

I'd like to point out that not everyone here is a negative, condescending, jerk like Noel and wish you luck with whatever you do in the future.

Darkheart

The game logic itself could be useful if someone was writing a graphical sim-crime type game too.

@AD: Do you have anything coded? Any artwork or design document. You only mention the ideas.

If you can't get to grips with Max, you won't succeed with C#.

Stick with it. What are you stuck on?

However, most are. Certainly the more honest ones.

Let me just reiterate that because it's really, really important.

From what I can tell your problem isn't so much the language, as it is a lack of tools for handling complexity. While the game may seem simple enough to the casual observer, it is actually incredibly complex, and would take considerable amounts of cleverness regardless of which language it's written in. If I were you, I'd chose a much smaller sub-set and see if I could get that implemented properly first. I'd certainly stick with it if I were you.

Short answer: "No, but I have features!"

I find myself agreeing with FlameDuck again - I must be ill or something. ;-)

You're right... C# was even harder than I expected too.

I do have some code. But I never really worked on the project since mid April.

Oh, its okay about the "negative, condescending" comments, I'm okay with it. I don't really read/contribute much on bb.com website anyway.

I've recently heard that Fred from GeekHideout is doing DL3 anyway -- and I posted him my ideas and notes, including old programming code;

http://www.geekhideout.com/whatsnew.shtml

Thanks all. Have a good Christmas.

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Noselabs?

The human body can make any chemical. Even drugs and virusses. Check research. (Nogasms ; any chemical combination can be fatal if to much is created ; video and law and violations)

I'd like a word with you.

If you need any info on the practical usage of illicit substances, I think Nebula's the bloke to talk to.

No it can't.

Why are you arguing/replying to someone that is:
a) Has 'issues'
b) A bot

:P

the human body can ingest any chemicle
although i dont recomend domestos

why do you think they changed jif to cif in the uk
not because its cif everywhere else

its because of too many trips to A&E over shrove tuesday

For fun?

No. Fiber, heavy metal composites and plastics to name just a few of the things the human body cannot ingest/breakdown. Also for some people the list is more extensive (lactose intolerant people for instance cannot breakdown dairy products).

by ingest what i really meant was stick it in your mouth and swallow no matter how harmfull it may be
regardless if the body can do anything with it or not

"the human body can ingest any chemicle"
"No. Fiber, heavy metal composites and plastics to name just a few of the things the human body cannot ingest/breakdown"

Yes the human body can ingest any thing, it just can digest every thing.

And dont you think this iis a little off topic

Where are you guys getting your definition of ingest from?

Sure. But it's been that way for at least 2 months. No harm, no foul.

ahg a dictionary
get it away

it burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrns

ill stick with my "try and eat it" rephrase

go on put cif on your pancakes ... it will do you a world of good [to then not eat them]

Going with FlameDuck here, you're all very misinformed on your biology. The definition of ingest is such that you take something in and absorb it. If you cannot absorb, or digest, the material, then you are not ingesting it.

You'd think the English would have a better grasp of their language, eh?

Then you're not talking about ingestion and you're redefining a word to win an argument, which just doesn't work. What you are talking about is swallowing. I have the perfect joke to follow this, but I'm afraid it's not safe for younger members to read.

dawlane: Your signature is huge, please fix it. Seriously, that really is huge for a signature, and I'm running at 1680x1050 here.

aye us brits are great at f**king up our own language
and loosing sports we invent

i always had ingest as a fancy way of saying "swallow" leading to digest "do something with it" and if you cant get rid of it
although some things just stay there ... hair is one i can think of, but im not sure if that was just some twaddle i read once

i blame doctors on tv and their fancy smancy latin for whats wrong with you

ive got a wonky leg "orthopedics?" and when i was still at school i had to ask a nurse/porter/random nhs bloketype jobbie where i was going
"pedic something"
so the bugger sent me to the childrens ward

"no i want the leg doctor you prat"

"The definition of ingest is such that you take something in and absorb it."

Right and wrong.
In complex animals, ingest means to eat/swallow (and after Digestion if possible absorb) where as in a single-celled organism it just means absorb.
Ingestion is the consumption of a substance by an organism.
Ingesting means the act of ingestion.

Funny thing is you would find it very hard to find the word ingest,ingested and ingesting in most English dictionaries and I'm guessing it's because...
1) They'er total crap. (I have three and can't find any reference.)
2) The word has gone out of fashion in "Common/Basic English" (it will be in the Oxford English Dictionary (20 Volumes and counting) along millions of other words that are no longer used)

Digest means to convert into assimilable form.
Digesting/Digestion means the process of Digest.

Indigestible means unable to Digest
Indigestion means a pain caused by difficulty in digestion.

"You'd think the English would have a better grasp of their language, eh?"

We do it's just that Enlish is a dynamic language where one word can have many different meanings, or many words are interchangeable (Digesting/Digestion), or the meaning of words change and to make matters worse there are new words being added every day.

Oh and there are many versions of English. One word in the UK can have a totally diferent interpretation or spelling in the US or the rest of the world (a few swear words come to mind.)

Just be thankful that we still don't use the old fashioned 300 Year old spelling's where in the middle of some words we would write a 'f' instead of a 's'.

"aye us brits are great at f**king up our own language"

That's because there is the French (Normans 1066 AD) influence. If you haven't noticed all words that have any thing to the Law and Government are French in origin. The rest are mostly Germanic.

This leads us to English spelling (post Christianity) as the only people who could read and write when English was starting to become a written language where of course monks (not all could read. Most where the equivalent of a photo copier) and they wrote down (a latin version) how the words sounded to them. ( Which would explain why my spellings crap )

"dawlane: Your signature is huge, please fix it. Seriously, that really is huge for a signature, and I'm running at 1680x1050 here."

Fixed.

Since language is a constantly evolving construct, it could be argued that the meaning of "ingest" is defined by common usage. Why? Well, students of Laccanian psychoanalysis might argue that this is because the link between signifier and signified is fluid and subject to the influence of the imaginary, the real and the symbolic. This is in many ways an evolution of the theories of the structuralist Saussure, who was one of the first to attempt to define meaning as the relationship between signifier and signified, and his work was of course built upon by the later deconstructionists and post-structuralists.

Perhaps, Noel, if you had a better grasp of your language, you would realise this, eh?

For the rest of you: Dictionary definitions are meaningless because they are outdated as soon as they are written. However, prestige dictionaries such as the Oxford English Dictionary are useful because they chart the historic usage and evolution of the words they attempt to define. "Ingest" has a scientific meaning, but, arguably, this is not the only meaning of the word - alternate (potentially conflicting) meanings can be just as valid if they represent common usage.

just imagine
you study english as a second language and some day travel to blighty
and the first people you encounter are chavs :))
innit

"just imagine
you study english as a second language and some day travel to blighty
and the first people you encounter are chavs :))
innit"

Ah now "Chav". Now thats a word that can truly be analyzed to death ( or in some cases the people the word references :-).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav

I can just imagine a foreigner asking for directions...

Foreigner "Excuse me can you tell me the way to the Regent Hotel?"

Chav "Yeah right, you go down this street right, take a left right, then another right right and you should see it on your left right"

And what are the poor bug*ers going to wear now that Burberry have stopped production of a chav's favorate item's of clothing. :-)

And remeber at school when spelling "teacher say's it I before E except after C" then can someone explain why "their" is spelt like so?

And one more thing after reading Justluke's post I'm starting to think he may be a "civil servant" with the wording he's used ( BBC Comedy Yes Minister and it's follow up Yes Prime Minister - Sir Humphrey Appleby ( Engish as it was ment be spoken )) :-)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/yesminister/index.shtml

AND MERRY CHRISTMAS !