What Monitor to buy?

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Im lookin at replacing my aging 15" Philips 105MB. I've taken a look online to see whats for sale (lookin at gettin a LCD/TFT) and am kind of stumped at what to purchase.

I was lookin at purchasing a 17" LCD or even possibly a 19" widescreen one. I thought about the widescreen thing and that would probably make games look out of scale and such.

Is it worth spending the extra money for a 19" or is 17" pretty good. Also what brands should I look/lookout for.

Thanks,

I've currently got a 17" LCD/TFT Samsung 730b here, and all I can say is, looking at CRT monitors these days kills my eyes...

Samsung's monitors seem pretty damn good from my experience, we got two of the model I mentioned, owned them for over a year now, and they're still working flawlessly.....I was personally expecting a dead pixel or two on either, but they're still crystal clear as the day they came out of the box.

I recall there being another brand that had high standards for their products mentioned in previous threads, but I can't recall them for the life of me.

The 19" widescreens have become *very* affordable now. I don't know about NZ but here they're practically the same price as 17". I don't own a widescreen so I can't say for sure, but I assumed they could setup to run standard resolutions and leave borders around the screen. That's worth checking on.

All the reviews I've read ( and I've read a few lately, as I'm also considering a 17" or 19" tft when I replace this 15" tft ) say you can't go wrong with Samsung. I've also heard good things about Asus' 19" widescreen, but haven't found as much reading material on that. A nice thing about Asus is that they have a zero tolerance policy on dead pixels. None of this "any five in a significant part of the screen BS".

Dell is coming out with an exceptionally cheap 20.1" monitor in the next few days. I think it was $249 USD. The 24" isn't much either...

I have the 24" dell and LOVE it...

The bigger the better;) Just keep an eye on the response time as you look at larger lcd's. Try a fps game on the demo model in the store before you buy to check for image ghosting trails. The blacker the screen when it's turned off, the better the contrast will be. Also, try setting the windows desktop to black, and check that it's not grey when the contrast/brightness are set the way you like. Widescreen shouldn't be a problem either. A lot of games support widescreen, or use black borders at the sides. Also, your monitor may allow you to adjust the horizontal image size independantly from the vertical size.

I was lookin at purchasing a 17" LCD or even possibly a 19" widescreen one. I thought about the widescreen thing and that would probably make games look out of scale and such.


Of course "widescreen" is just another way of saying "reduced height"

(a widescreen monitor may have the same diagonal size, but has significantly less pixels than a 'normal' 4:3 aspect ratio screen 19" screen. If you watch a lot of movies on it widescreen may be a good idea, but for 'normal' use? Not so much. Also, depending on the actual monitor, it may not support 'normal' 4:3 resolutions such as 1024x768, or it may stretch them or show black bars on the side.)

I absolutely love my Acer AL1917ABMD 19" (non-widescreen) LCD. under $200 at newegg.com, and works great. Crisp, No blurring in games, etc.
Viewsonic also has some pretty good screens at good prices.

My 19" LCD replaced an older 17" one, and I don't regret getting it for a second)


Couple of pointers when you do look for an LCD:

1) Stay far, FAR away from the 'discount' brands such as rosewill, benQ, and other no-names. LCD's come in several grades, and the budget brands tend to use the lowest grade panels. This matters big time, since the return policies for LCD's depend on the screen grade used. Almost noone allows a return if you have one dead pixel. The good brands allow you to do a return if you have 2 or 3, but the low end won't even consider a return unless there are literally dozens of dead pixels. NOT worth saving a couple of bucks over. (I used to have a link to a site that spelled out the return policies for all major brands, but can't seem to find it right now)

2) Look for something with a low response time. Low response means less blurring. Don't go higher than 8ms.

3) Be aware of the following: There are two major types of LCD panels: those advertised as 16.7 million colors, and those advertised as 16.2 million colors. It may sound insignificant, but there is a major difference:
the 16.7 million color screens use 8 bit per pixel. the 16.2 million color screens only use 6 bits per pixel, and have some hardware-based fancy dithering algorithms to make things appear better than they really are.

The advantage of a 6-bit panel is that it's faster to change colors (= lower response time), but an 8-bit panel can give a much better image quality.

If you're an avid gamer, the 6-bit panels are great. If you're into digital image editing and such, definitely go with the 8-bit ones.

Stay far away from the 6-bit panels that also have a crappy response time, that's the worst of both worlds.

4) High contrast ratio is important. The higher the contrast ratio, the more realistic your images will look, especially with the black being 'blacker'

5) When it comes to brightness though, in my experience many screens are too bright. my current screen is 300cd/m, and I find even that too bright to look at with the default settings, and had to turn it down. Many of the older screens have higher brightness, some even 450cd/m -- The major downside of that is that you give up the eyestrain of a CRT refreshrate, only to replace it with the eyestrain of an uncomfortably bright display... so be careful.

6) Stand. Many of the cheaper LCD's don't have a height-adjustable stand, and can only tilt the screen. May not sound like a big deal (after all, how often do you adjust the height of your monitor?), but it can be very uncomfortable if the default non-adjustable position of your monitor is too low to be comfortable.

My first LCD screen (17") couldn't even tilt either. I ended up having to rig a cardboard box with something under it so I could both raise it and change the viewing angle. My current screen can tilt, but by default it still wasn't height adjustable. (I knew that in advance though, and ended up also getting a 3rd party height-adjustable VESA-100 compliant stand. Pretty much any LCD screen these days has a standard mounting point on the back, where you can attach a 3rd party wall mount or stand to it.)

Sell a kidney and get a Dell 2407FPW. It is the best monitor you can buy.

Their 30" isn't as good because of slower response time and complete lack of connectivity (other than DVI). The 2407 has got:

S-Video, Composite video, DVI (HDCP compliant), VGA and component video.

Awesome piece of kit.

I've got the older 2405, but every day using it is a joy :)

Samsung's monitors seem pretty damn good from my experience
Can't comment on Samsung monitors because I've never had one, and never will.

Reason being, every other Samsung product has ended up being replaced under warranty, or binned due to being out of warranty, including a Digital Camcorder that managed a total of three outings before it gave up on life.

Wouldn't touch Samsung hardware with an extremely long stick. Baseball bats excepted.

If you can afford it i'd go for a 20" widescreen. You get extra res compared to 19".

I would definately go for a Zenith green-screen monitor! ;O)

Samsung makes very good monitors, but they only have a zero dead pixel guarantee in south korea.

IBM used to have a zero dead pixels guarantee on their high-end monitors, but I don't know if that's still the case.


Andy

MAke sure you find out what the native Resolution is. If for example you are looking at 19 native 1028By 768 or 17 native 1280 by 1024, then I would be tempted to go for the 17. (unless you have vey bad eyesight)

Haveing said that, the best monitor Ive ever used was a 32" one that had at the local Libary for partialy sighted ppl. It did make things look "specturmie" though

I'd recommend a 19" SynchMaster 913n. It was a steal 6 months ago @ less than £150, so probably less now. Worked a treat straight out the box with auto setup. No dead pixels, great for games ( 8ms response ) etc.. It doesn't have DVI but it's not something I need ATM.

Stevie

Been lookin at a few 17 inch screens, The 19 inch seem to be about 50 - 80 NZD more than the 17's. The widescreen 19's seem to be cheaper than the 4:3 19's?

Hannsg:
http://www.nfc.co.nz/ProductDetail.asp?ItemID=M1080011&v=MS&c=

CMV:
http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?105936

Cheapest Samsung:
http://www.softwareshop.co.nz/Master_Display.cfm?productid=60253

19" Widescreen:
http://www.xpcomputers.co.nz/views.asp?hw_id=110

What would you guys pick out of that lot? The HannsG seems to have a nice brightness rating.

Of course "widescreen" is just another way of saying "reduced height"

(a widescreen monitor may have the same diagonal size, but has significantly less pixels than a 'normal' 4:3 aspect ratio screen 19" screen. If you watch a lot of movies on it widescreen may be a good idea, but for 'normal' use? Not so much.


You are amazingly misinformed if that's what you believe.

Just because a screen is widescreen doesn't mean it has less vertical resolution at all. It MIGHT... But just because you have a 19" 4:3 doesn't mean it can do 1600x1200 any more than any other monitor. My 24" dell does 1920x1200. I would hardly call that "reduced height". 16:10 is just that... 16:10. 4:3 is 4:3... More or less pixels depends on how good the monitor is, not whether it's widescreen or not.

And as for "normal use"... Wide screen high res means you have more real estate (16.6666% more to be exact comparing 4:3-1600x1200 to 16:10-1920x1200) to work with. And that real estate works great in any application including games. I seriously can't think of any application that can't benefit from the increased screen size.

Just because a screen is widescreen doesn't mean it has less vertical resolution at all. It MIGHT... But just because you have a 19" 4:3 doesn't mean it can do 1600x1200 any more than any other monitor. My 24" dell does 1920x1200. I would hardly call that "reduced height". 16:10 is just that... 16:10. 4:3 is 4:3... More or less pixels depends on how good the monitor is, not whether it's widescreen or not.


Of course... but:

The *typical* native resolution of a 19" widescreen is 1440x900. a typical 4:3 screen is 1280x1024. The majority of LCD's don't give you a higher resolution than that unless you are looking at 20.1" and above.

Anyway, 1440x900 vs. 1280x1024, is 1.29Mpixel vs. 1.31MPixel. But the real difference is in square inches though: a 19" 4:3 screen give you 173.28 square inches of display, while a 19" widescreen gives you 154.27 square inches.

The widescreen gives you slightly smaller pixels, but you definitely have a larger surface area on a 4:3 screen. (Remember pythagoras? A^2*B^2=C^2 and all that)

What ever happend to those A4 monitors, the ones that where Higher rather than wider. (Sort of like widescreen on its side)

I for one liked them

What ever happend to those A4 monitors, the ones that where Higher rather than wider. (Sort of like widescreen on its side)


Many of the LCD's stands have a 'tilt' function where you can rotate the screen 90 degrees and get exactly that... the Dell 1905FP I have at the office can do it, for example. You do need to have a video card with drivers that support it as well though, for it to rotate the video output as well to match the position of the monitor.

Most of the NVidia and ATI cards have an option to rotate the screen.

Many of the LCD's stands have a 'tilt' function where you can rotate the screen 90 degrees


Well thats just quadrupeld the reason for getting one as far as Im concerned. Thanks

Just make sure to look around and verify that whatever screen you look at can do it. while many units support it, not all do. the Dell 1905FP I mentioned above can do it, but those were recently discontinues and replaced by the 1907FP. The latter have a different stand that doesn't have the rotate option anymore.

I ended up buying this:

http://www.hyundaiq.com/pro_n91s.asp

It was almost the same price as a 17" inch by the same brand. Good review -- the only moan was about the controls being hard to use and a slight image bleed on straight horizontal lines.

Lets see how it performs when it gets here :P

the only moan was about the controls being hard to use and a slight image bleed on straight horizontal lines


That's a benefit of DVI, except those screens tend to be a bit more expensive.