End of HD-DVD vs BluRay
Miscellaneous Forums/General Discussion/End of HD-DVD vs BluRay It would be, but we already have studios releasing the widescreen and fullscreen versions of films on two different disks - when they could be flip sides on one disk. I have no optimism for the future (to be fair, I don't plan on buying any of the new format stuff till prices come way down anyway)
I don't plan to buy them at all... Unless I am forced to.
as long as they keep releasing movies on normal DVD i will buy normal DVDs
i wonder if HD-DVDs can be played by normal DVD players but not in HD
i wonder if HD-DVDs can be played by normal DVD players but not in HD
> i wonder if HD-DVDs can be played by normal DVD players but not in HD
No - but that multi format one in the first post could be.
No - but that multi format one in the first post could be.
i hope they do that with normal DVDs and HD-DVDs, would help when HD-DVD players get cheaper
and if it is possible to play normal DVDs on a HD-DVD player would be awesome
and if it is possible to play normal DVDs on a HD-DVD player would be awesome
Just another plan to make us pay one more time for the same films.
BluRay & HD-DVD can have more then 4 layers of data though no?
Unless I misunderstood something, the article only mentions one layer per format.....unless they meant a layer of layers or something...
Will be interesting to read another article on how the disc works if it does support standard DVD/HD/BluRay players and not a new special player.
Unless I misunderstood something, the article only mentions one layer per format.....unless they meant a layer of layers or something...
Will be interesting to read another article on how the disc works if it does support standard DVD/HD/BluRay players and not a new special player.
It seems like this would be quite handy!
Yes and no - having them all together solves "compatibility" problem but the costs of making three times more complex disc will be paid by us, not the film studios. Handy would have been agreement about the format before they got us into this DVD+/- situation once again. Will they ever learn?
> but the costs of making three times more complex disc will be paid by us
I'm fairly certain the cost of disks is not the driving factor behind the pricing. Shipping and inventory costs are probably far higher - with expected profit being thrown in there too.
I'm fairly certain the cost of disks is not the driving factor behind the pricing. Shipping and inventory costs are probably far higher - with expected profit being thrown in there too.
Hopefully its too early and neither format will catch on, leaving room for something new to take over in a couple of years from now.
I disliked the whole idea of Blu-DVD and HD-Ray... but recently I got a decent TV and you can really see the artefacts, parts of the animations dont move because they are "close to the last frame". sometimes someones pimple moves from their cheek to their ear!!
I would much prefer a unified system, HD-DVD+Blu-ray on a single disk, great, but a better system than both would be great, and without the damned format fighting!
I would much prefer a unified system, HD-DVD+Blu-ray on a single disk, great, but a better system than both would be great, and without the damned format fighting!
The whole HD-DVD & Blu-Ray topic is kind of nonsensical anyway... the main reason for teh big push behind it by the movie studios is that they want to put the cat back into the bag ever since the DVD encryption was cracked, and people could start making backup copies of their DVD's.
Switching to a new, 'secure' format would ensure their profit margins again.
Of course, given the significantly higher costs of the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray equipment and discs (mostly fo due to technical reasons, not just artificial profit), combined witht he fact that DVD is near omni-present and 'good enough' for the majority of people, they will fight an up-hill battle for years trying to get people to switch over.
There was a MAJOR advantage of DVD over VHS: better image quality was just one of them - no more rewinding, no degradation to image quality over time and surround sound audio were others.
All that the high definition formats give you is arguably better image quality, which many people couldn't even distinguish on their current TV's anyway.
I sure am not going to run out and buy a new player that costs ten times as much as my current ones, only to be limited even more to what I do with them.
Ever tried a childrens DVD? 15 minutes of un-forwardable previews and the likes. At least with a DVD you can make a backup copy and put nothing but just the movie itself on there, keeping the original save and out of harm's way. Perfectly legal under the fair-use provisions, but impossible with the new media.
(that's something very interesting too, when you think about it: the industry is trying to claim that you don't actually own the movie/album/whatever, but that you merely license the content and that they are entitled to restrict how you use it. Great! So were exactly does one go to get a replacement carrier media at cost when your $19.95 DVD is scratched beyond usability? I mean, you licensed the contents of the disc, you didn't just buy a round piece of plastic... Right? they want to have it both ways, and so far are getting away with it...)
Switching to a new, 'secure' format would ensure their profit margins again.
Of course, given the significantly higher costs of the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray equipment and discs (mostly fo due to technical reasons, not just artificial profit), combined witht he fact that DVD is near omni-present and 'good enough' for the majority of people, they will fight an up-hill battle for years trying to get people to switch over.
There was a MAJOR advantage of DVD over VHS: better image quality was just one of them - no more rewinding, no degradation to image quality over time and surround sound audio were others.
All that the high definition formats give you is arguably better image quality, which many people couldn't even distinguish on their current TV's anyway.
I sure am not going to run out and buy a new player that costs ten times as much as my current ones, only to be limited even more to what I do with them.
Ever tried a childrens DVD? 15 minutes of un-forwardable previews and the likes. At least with a DVD you can make a backup copy and put nothing but just the movie itself on there, keeping the original save and out of harm's way. Perfectly legal under the fair-use provisions, but impossible with the new media.
(that's something very interesting too, when you think about it: the industry is trying to claim that you don't actually own the movie/album/whatever, but that you merely license the content and that they are entitled to restrict how you use it. Great! So were exactly does one go to get a replacement carrier media at cost when your $19.95 DVD is scratched beyond usability? I mean, you licensed the contents of the disc, you didn't just buy a round piece of plastic... Right? they want to have it both ways, and so far are getting away with it...)
BluRay & HD-DVD can have more then 4 layers of data though no?
To my knowledge there hasn't yet been a comercially released BluRay disc with more than 1 layer, because they have trouble mass-producing multilayer discs. But Sony says they have 4 layer discs coming...(when pigs fly) well today must be the day 4 layered discs are coming, i just saw a pig get on a plane and fly to denver
but i say all the new formats for movies suck, just leave it at DVD and work on putting more data on a disc.
but i say all the new formats for movies suck, just leave it at DVD and work on putting more data on a disc.
What i hate about technology is the way some flock to it, then it becomes the standard, then we all have to BUY it. I was happy with VHS!!!!
Well it dosen't really matter how much encryption and security they place on their discs, there will always be someone out there of equal technical skill who will figure out a way round it.
I'm sure a lot of pirating is done because ppl are sick of the high cost of dvd's,a nd would rather a 'cheaper copy'.
"But it's the pirates who force up the price of dvd's by illegal copying' I hear you say. Well, no dvd's have always been expensive, even before Joe Bloggs had access to the technology to pirate the dvd's.
Only two options I see to rectify the problem.
1. sell new movies for a more realistic price, and maybe more ppl will buy them.
2. channel all that money spent on anti-pirate technology, and use it to improve the quality of the movies were getting at the moment, which are passed off as 'so called entertainment.' Seriously, many titles coming out of hollywood now are just plain laughable.
Great special fx and big budgets don't make a great film, a great story does. starting producing some great titles and more ppl will want to buy it. The same goes for computer media - games. Gameplay is paramount. Great graphics mean nothing if the game is boring. :)
I'm sure a lot of pirating is done because ppl are sick of the high cost of dvd's,a nd would rather a 'cheaper copy'.
"But it's the pirates who force up the price of dvd's by illegal copying' I hear you say. Well, no dvd's have always been expensive, even before Joe Bloggs had access to the technology to pirate the dvd's.
Only two options I see to rectify the problem.
1. sell new movies for a more realistic price, and maybe more ppl will buy them.
2. channel all that money spent on anti-pirate technology, and use it to improve the quality of the movies were getting at the moment, which are passed off as 'so called entertainment.' Seriously, many titles coming out of hollywood now are just plain laughable.
Great special fx and big budgets don't make a great film, a great story does. starting producing some great titles and more ppl will want to buy it. The same goes for computer media - games. Gameplay is paramount. Great graphics mean nothing if the game is boring. :)
I was happy with VHS!!!!
Yeah, but thanks to DVDs, I no longer have to think twice about those damned "Be Kind, Please Rewind" stickers my local movie store places on all their tapes.
Regarding piracy, weren't VHS tapes easy as hell to copy? Was as simple as needing two VHS players hooked up to each other..one playing, one recording...
Never recalled *that* hurting the industry, just the companies trying to lay the blame on something else?
Anyways, regarding HDs & BluRays, I take it BluRays cost more to produce? My local WalMart finally got a couple (literally, only 2) BluRay movies in priced at $29.99, where-as the 8 HD-DVD movies beside them (which are of a much more recent/better selection) are a measly $23.99, cheaper then their DVD counterparts....
Regarding piracy, weren't VHS tapes easy as hell to copy? Was as simple as needing two VHS players hooked up to each other..one playing, one recording...
Never recalled *that* hurting the industry, just the companies trying to lay the blame on something else?
Never recalled *that* hurting the industry, just the companies trying to lay the blame on something else?
Nevertheless, the movie industries tried to sue VCR's out of existence, because they were convinced it would bankrupt the entire movie industry.
Instead, it created another multi-billion home video market.
they should just work on improving the movies they make and make DVDs cheaper
Especially they should stop putting that much crap on DVDs
I buy a film to watch the film, not to pay for XY extras I don't even watch. Due to that I only buy DVDs very seldom as half of the price is wasted for that extra crap no one wants. I want the film that is on it, point.
But one thing I don't understand is the so called Hi-Def war.
Heck most people don't have HDTV so there is no war and for the next few years won't be. TV at europe is starting to be 16:9 with partial HDTV from time to time, no chance for a usefull existance of HDTV before 2009 where "common" TV was mentioned to not be streamed anymore. and they call a currently death birth to be able to have a war ...
2% vs 2% is no war, thats a niche joke as most Sony Formats have been doing the past 10 years (UMD, Mini Disc)
I buy a film to watch the film, not to pay for XY extras I don't even watch. Due to that I only buy DVDs very seldom as half of the price is wasted for that extra crap no one wants. I want the film that is on it, point.
But one thing I don't understand is the so called Hi-Def war.
Heck most people don't have HDTV so there is no war and for the next few years won't be. TV at europe is starting to be 16:9 with partial HDTV from time to time, no chance for a usefull existance of HDTV before 2009 where "common" TV was mentioned to not be streamed anymore. and they call a currently death birth to be able to have a war ...
2% vs 2% is no war, thats a niche joke as most Sony Formats have been doing the past 10 years (UMD, Mini Disc)
in pc format mag (uk) there were saying they have tested hddvd upto 8 layers, but with 1 layer its not really a big enough difference from dvd for backup and storage. i dont have a HD tv so im going to spend out on a new TV a hddvd player and a film on hd disc just so its a little sharper. the cinema is blurry as hell if you put it against normal dvds and i dont see anyone complaining.