Borland Turbo answer to MS Express
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Looks like Borland is ressurecting the old Turbo label. Pity that Turbo Basic is not among the offerings. Also, according to the FAQ at Borland site, only one turbo product can be installed on a single machine. Weird...
Otherwise it looks pretty interesting.
Barney
Linky ?
[edit] Thanks Gab :)
Must be my old age. I copied the link to the clipboard and simply forgot to include it into the message. :(
Where are my memory pills? They must be somwhere around...
Barney
You can almost hear a horde of delphi programmers letting out the sigh 'ahhhhh finally'.
A lot of us have been pestering Borland for this for years!
I don't really see the point of the C++ or C# ones, since the vast majority of people are going to be using the MS ones. I'll probably grab the Delphi one, although mainly for old time's sake. Turbo Pascal was a great favourite of mine way back around 1990.
Yeah I used to use Turbo C++ (DOS, none of this "visual" malarky), and Delphi still (for 10 years).
Well, I've been a big fan of Turbo C++ during the old DOS days, I think that I even remember a few projects that I've done in that language way back... One question remains, would the new Turbo C++ be as easy to use as the old version from way back when? I remember that Borland's old C++ for Win 3.1 and DOS used an exclusive graphics code set, which was easy to program around. Noone else had this during those days, for the exception of QuickBASIC, which was far too slow. Man, this thread DOES bring back some decent memories of MS's old languages as well. If only MS would release a QuickBASIC for Windows XP/Vista, along side Visual Basic...
Looks like Borland is ressurecting the old Turbo label. Pity that Turbo Basic is not among the offerings
TurboBasic never died, in a way -- its original creator, Bob Zale, bought back the rights and released it (with some improvements) as PowerBasic 2.1
The DOS version is now at 3.5, and several windows flavors have been released over the years as well: PB/Win (formerly PB/DLL) and PB/CC (console compiler, for text-mode applications)
http://www.powerbasic.comIt's not at all aimed at games programming, but pretty good for non-graphical stuff.
Turbo Pascal - I remember this with horror. I had a C book but only a Turbo Pascal compiler. I spent many hours tweaking the C code to get it to work in TP. Why anyone would want to use such a rigid language like TP over TC is beyond me. I suppose some people like having to declare stuff in a certain order.
Turbo Pascal ... nightmare of many informatic c(o)urses.
Start up your apple, start turbo pascal, start netscape 5, use ctrl-alt-"this keyboard startup key" to restart. That was the most common thing this horror of a language and "ide" caused to me.
I suppose some people like having to declare stuff in a certain order.
I would be one of them, declaring before use helps eliminate ambiguity.
I liked Turbo Pascal.. and I still like the Pascal language..
I like the way that it was a straight forward and not cryptic (like C), and that it was still amazingly fast..
Yeah, now that Delphi's the next generation of Pascal, I'm sort of wondering about backwards compatibility from Turbo Delphi for Turbo Pascal code now...
It's always been reasonably simple to compile turbo pascal code under delphi.
Can't remember the things that need to be changed, but I know I have turbo pascal code that I compile with delphi.
Cool, I'll find out more about Turbo Delphi later, looks like having that, and Turbo C++'ll be the way to go. It seems like C++ Builder was a pain in the butt, hopefully Turbo C++'ll change all that. C++ Builder's nothing like the old C++ 4.x series that Borland's got all the rave on, that was their best compiler outside of Turbo C++. I really didn't like C++ Builder as much as Delphi or the traditional Borland C++. I may try out the new Turbo languages, just better find out how I can grab me some of them.
Oh, and Delphi's cool, but get the big versions of Delphi, and you could almost buy an Alienware or Mac Pro for the same prices as some of those Delphi language packages.
Jeesh, $400 a pop? I thought that Borland was gonna do like MS was going to do, according to this thread title. Man, was I ever mislead here.
Turbo Delphi Explorer is free (as are all the 'explorer' versions).
There are some limitations, but I'm not 100% sure what they are (not seen the licence agreement yet).
Turbo Pascal has got to be one best languages I ever programmed in - actually, it was the first "real" compiler I ever use after my several iterations with BASIC and MS-DOS Qbasic ( they were still teachin that in Computer Science at the time ) . It introduced me to the concept of using functions and programming in modules. Alot of my early ambitious game projects were done in Turbo Pascal....I still remember when everything was about VGA, COMM libraries, and ASM was the coolest thing.
Then I got my hands on Turbo C which I really wasn't too excited about....but managed to do some wonders with it. I wrote an RPG "system" with it...I dont think we used the term "engine" at the time. Then my dad bought me Turbo C++, which at that point turned me off programming completely.....until recently when I attended a University and began re-learning this programming stuff again.
Anyways, I'm actually looking forward to checking this stuff out...
Jeesh, $400 a pop? I thought that Borland was gonna do like MS was going to do, according to this thread title. Man, was I ever mislead here.
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Where did you get the $400 price? And for which product? I was just checking Turbo site and could not find anything about pricing, including the Borland Shop.
Barney
Uhh, from Buy.com, most likely... Maybe Amazon, too.
It's not at all aimed at games programming, but pretty good for non-graphical stuff.
Actually I think PBWin 8 added a bunch of graphics stuff. Think it's all GDI but I haven't messed with the graphics. I use it for DLL creation.
Well, with the old Turbo C++ from the old DOS days, I remember writing a few screen savers using generated graphics, like doing a screen saver called, "Rainbow Lines." I remember that was totally done in Borland which I've designed. I'm trying to see how I can resurrect Rainbow Lines all over again, because that was an awesome screen saver that I put together. What a thrill to do that. Of course, screen savers these days are far more sophisticated than those days, so I've given up on computer generated screen savers like those, the BGI interface was cool during those days, tho.
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Ok, so what's the difference between Turbo Delphi and Turbo Delphi for .Net? According to the download page, they both need the .Net Framework, so.. well.. ?
turbo delphi produces win32 exes, delphi.net produces .net assemblies, I'm guessing that .net is needed for the IDE in both.
Actually I think PBWin 8 added a bunch of graphics stuff. Think it's all GDI but I haven't messed with the graphics. I use it for DLL creation.
To create both console and GUI programs do you need both compilers? I mean the PBWin can't make both like alot of other compilers can?
Well, if that's the case, I sorta wonder if Turbo Pascal and Turbo Pascal .NET need to be d/led together to have that complete package then...
??? there is no turbo pascal ?
Turbo Delphi = Delphi which creates Win32 exes (may need .net framework for IDE.. I don't know)
Turbo Delphi.net = Delphi which creates .net assemblies (probably uses same IDE as Turbo delphi).
From what I understand you can install one of them on a machine (ie one only) so not much reason to DL them both unless you are using virtual machines!.
I would be one of them, declaring before use helps eliminate ambiguity.
I fly in the face of ambiguity preferring the thrill of sponteanity and creativity and ...what was the question again ?
why do people have (tu) before their names?
why do people have (tu) before their names?
In memoriam of the one and only Steve Irwin, which we were all fans of, a.k.a. "Crocodile Hunter."
I liked old C++builder3... 4 was little more bloated and after that I stopped to testing newer versions. I just installed Turbo C++ package and holy smoke, it seemed even more bloatware than I thought.. first there is lot to install before you can install TC++, various MS crap and then TC++ takes 5-10 minutes to install.. holy bloatware I say :(
Everything in these days seems to require at least 1-2Gigs space..
Yeah, the current version of C++ Builder 6 was, pfft... Nominal at best. It did some okay programs, but it's not the same as Borland used to be. To me, MS's VS 6.0 was best. That was, until MS brought the .NET structure, then that turned out to be a pain in the butt to program around.
??? there is no turbo pascal ?
Wouldn't Delphi be considered the next evolution of Pascal?
10 years ago maybe!
Well, Delphi is like Pascal on OOP Steroids, is the way to put it.
Ahhh, those were the days... I used to write DOS programs with Turbo Basic - great stuff. I wrote a database program using it, which earned me $5,000! :) I still have a very old copy of it, but haven't tested it out lately to see if it is still working!
On the title: borland turbo is more an answer to "borland has lost a massive amount of costumers". Delphi always has been nice, but not that nice that it would have had an acceptable price. (MS gives out student licences for free for years now, borland still hasn't understand what people are using their compilers in the future)
I can't see why they just don't have Delphi.net that can compile to both native and .net like c++.net can.
They do, Borland Developer Studio.
It's just a limitation of the Turbo versions.
Of course, Amazon seems to be selling C++ Builder 6 Personal Edition for $69 USD, if that means much. C++ Builder didn't seem to get the same reviews as the traditional Turbo C++ or Borland C++ 4.x did. Borland's products just aren't the same as they use to be, they really lost their quality touch. Borland put more emphasis on Delphi than anything else at that time, and C++ Builder was only secondary as far as getting things done. Microsoft really took them to the cleaners, tho, no doubt about that.