Have you touched your pc's hard drive? I touched my Maxtor ones and they could burn my skin! I don't want fans cooling my HD, my pc is loud enough. I'll just stick a plastic bag with water...
Hard Drives
Miscellaneous Forums/General Discussion/Hard Drives You want me to stick a piece of metal to hold the heat inside! The idea of putting a piece of metal to "cool" it down is stupid. It might be cold for a little bit but then it will retain the heat instead of letting go out!
uh... no. Copper is a very good conductor which means it will help draw the heat away from the hard drive, resulting in a cooler drive (although the copper will still feel as warm as your HDD did).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heatsink
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heatsink
Constantly hot hard-drives are a common cause for them to fail - some PC cases seem designed to keep a hard-drive as hot as it can get.
I do class this as something to worry about - my own gaming PC worries me in this area - I take the side off every so often in the hope that doing so lets hot air escape. My hard-drive bays are sealed compartments with only 1 side open which happens to be facing the side panel - so when the side door of the pc is shut the hard-drives are baking away.
I do class this as something to worry about - my own gaming PC worries me in this area - I take the side off every so often in the hope that doing so lets hot air escape. My hard-drive bays are sealed compartments with only 1 side open which happens to be facing the side panel - so when the side door of the pc is shut the hard-drives are baking away.
@Perturbatio,
The HDD and the copper will be at the same temp. So if it feels as warm as your HDD did, then your HDD is the same temp as it was before you put the copper on it.
although the copper will still feel as warm as your HDD did
The HDD and the copper will be at the same temp. So if it feels as warm as your HDD did, then your HDD is the same temp as it was before you put the copper on it.
Surely they would only be as warm as each other if they have the same thermal conductivity, hence the reason for using copper over say, steel?
The heatsink also allows more heat to dissipate due to the extra surface area which the cooling fins give.
The heatsink becomes warmer and the drive becomes cooler. The heat output from a drive cannot heat the copper heatsink and the drive up to the same temp as if there was no heatsink. That's like saying that a 1000w heater can heat a 10 foot area to the same temp as a 20 foot area.
The heatsink becomes warmer and the drive becomes cooler. The heat output from a drive cannot heat the copper heatsink and the drive up to the same temp as if there was no heatsink. That's like saying that a 1000w heater can heat a 10 foot area to the same temp as a 20 foot area.
Are you running Vista by any chance?
If you install SpeedFan you can monitor the temperature of the harddrive.
My Maxtors temperature was always very high (65 deg).
When I tried a heatsink device it only brought the temperature down by a few degrees.
I switched to a Seagate hard drive.
The Seagate remains relatively cool (35-45 ish) and is significantly quieter too.
My Maxtors temperature was always very high (65 deg).
When I tried a heatsink device it only brought the temperature down by a few degrees.
I switched to a Seagate hard drive.
The Seagate remains relatively cool (35-45 ish) and is significantly quieter too.
"The idea of putting a piece of metal to "cool" it down is stupid"
There's a reason the manufacturers have put pieces of metal on your CPU and GPU. They're called heatsinks and I wouldn't recommend removing them. I'll just stick a plastic bag with water...
You're joking, right? I hope so. :/ 'I'll just stick a plastic bag with water...' and 'The idea of putting a piece of metal to "cool" it down is stupid.'
xmlspy must be feeling bored today...
Andy
xmlspy must be feeling bored today...
Andy
I touched my Maxtor ones and they could burn my skin!
Handy tip: back up all your important data right away, and keep doing so.
Both of my two Maxtor drives failed on me, both within only a year or two of purchase, while my brother's Maxtor drive also died recently (only about a year old), though we managed to revive that one by putting the circuit board off my old drive onto it (same model). I'll never buy a [a http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=maxtor+unreliable]Maxtor drive[/a] ever again, however cheap they are for the size -- I've lost tons of cool stuff!
Damn your infernal timing, James!!!..... Just bought a Maxtor to replace my Hitachi which went up the swanny.
Just say you made a mistake and bought the wrong product.
I made a mistake and bought the wrong product.
Hard disc drives are unreliable, period. Well, in the mid to long term, anyways.
Gotta agree with you James. Same experience ..
2 Maxtor hard drives. Both of mine died far too quickly. Probably less than 4 months for the last one.
I personally recommend Seagate drives. As I mentioned above they stay cool and are much quieter in operation.
Never had any problems with them so far.
2 Maxtor hard drives. Both of mine died far too quickly. Probably less than 4 months for the last one.
I personally recommend Seagate drives. As I mentioned above they stay cool and are much quieter in operation.
Never had any problems with them so far.
My PC locked up the other day, an obvious 'clunk' from one of the drives shutting down preceeded it.
The Hitachi deskstar was hot enough to boil a cuppa but the western digital was much cooler.
Solution? Buy another Hitachi and then have the ability to boil 2 cups of tea at the same time! ;P
Drives seem to get less and less reliable as rpm and data transfer speeds increase =/
The Hitachi deskstar was hot enough to boil a cuppa but the western digital was much cooler.
Solution? Buy another Hitachi and then have the ability to boil 2 cups of tea at the same time! ;P
Drives seem to get less and less reliable as rpm and data transfer speeds increase =/
Ah, the good ol' Hitachi DeathStar... :P
just spit on it every now and then.
If you are leaving your pc on for long periods without using
it you can set the hd to shutdown after 1hr of no use.
If you are leaving your pc on for long periods without using
it you can set the hd to shutdown after 1hr of no use.
@Perturbatio,
No.
They try to get to the same temp, the thermal conductivity is just an indication of how fast they do it. If the copper on the HD is (say) 80, then the HD must be at least 80 as well, basicly the HD as the heat source MUST always be hotter than the copper.
The Aim is for the copper to loose the heat to the air quicker than the HD could, and hence cool them both down.
So This still means that if it feels as warm as your HDD did, then your HDD is the same temp as it was before you put the copper on it.
@KenShin,
I didnt say that the HD, could heat both the copper and the HD to the same temprature as when only the HD was there. Perturbatio's statement that "the copper will still feel as warm as your HDD did" meant that the HD was the same temp as before. I was just pointing out the inference of that statement
Surely they would only be as warm as each other if they have the same thermal conductivity, hence the reason for using copper over say, steel?
No.
They try to get to the same temp, the thermal conductivity is just an indication of how fast they do it. If the copper on the HD is (say) 80, then the HD must be at least 80 as well, basicly the HD as the heat source MUST always be hotter than the copper.
The Aim is for the copper to loose the heat to the air quicker than the HD could, and hence cool them both down.
So This still means that if it feels as warm as your HDD did, then your HDD is the same temp as it was before you put the copper on it.
@KenShin,
I didnt say that the HD, could heat both the copper and the HD to the same temprature as when only the HD was there. Perturbatio's statement that "the copper will still feel as warm as your HDD did" meant that the HD was the same temp as before. I was just pointing out the inference of that statement
You've lost me here:
I've noticed that Maxtor drives are hot and noisy too. Never had any problems like this with Seagate.
then your HDD is the same temp as it was before you put the copper on it.
I didnt say that the HD, could heat both the copper and the HD to the same temprature as when only the HD was there.
I've noticed that Maxtor drives are hot and noisy too. Never had any problems like this with Seagate.
@Kenshin. Edit:That was very generious of you:EndEdit
(I think its because you still feel Im contradiccting myself isnt it?)
Perturbatio said
so I posted
Then when you told me
I replied
And explained
The inference is correct, IF the copper is at the same temp, as the HD was before the copper was added, THEN the HD is as the same temp as before the copper was added.
Any problem you have with it, is with Perturbatio, who provided the study data ;)
(I think its because you still feel Im contradiccting myself isnt it?)
Perturbatio said
although the copper will still feel as warm as your HDD did
so I posted
The HDD and the copper will be at the same temp. So if it feels as warm as your HDD did, then your HDD is the same temp as it was before you put the copper on it
Then when you told me
The heat output from a drive cannot heat the copper heatsink and the drive up to the same temp as if there was no heatsink
I replied
I didnt say that the HD, could heat both the copper and the HD to the same temprature as when only the HD was there
And explained
I was just pointing out the inference of that (Perturbatio's) statement
The inference is correct, IF the copper is at the same temp, as the HD was before the copper was added, THEN the HD is as the same temp as before the copper was added.
Any problem you have with it, is with Perturbatio, who provided the study data ;)
Hard disc drives are unreliable, period. Well, in the mid to long term, anyways.
As with any mechanical device, it's not a question of whether they'll fail, but when.
Luckily in most cases the functional life of a harddrive exceeds its economical life, so you'll upgrade to something bigger before the drive finally grinds to a halt.
@H&K:
What's the deal with putting contrived inferences through your posts when it's not actually necessary.
These look like remarks to me, not questions. If you're deliberately attempting to disguise the true nature of your posts then it begins to look as if your dropping bait.
What's the deal with putting contrived inferences through your posts when it's not actually necessary.
The HDD and the copper will be at the same temp. So if it feels as warm as your HDD did, then your HDD is the same temp as it was before you put the copper on it.
These look like remarks to me, not questions. If you're deliberately attempting to disguise the true nature of your posts then it begins to look as if your dropping bait.
It is a remark, if the copper is as warm as the Hd was, Then the HD is still at the same temp.
There is nothing wrong with that statment. (Its not a question, its a remark. (A true remark as well)
Edit :But maybe I am baiting. I spend more time here, than programming, which is ostencivly what Im supposed to be doing
There is nothing wrong with that statment. (Its not a question, its a remark. (A true remark as well)
Edit :But maybe I am baiting. I spend more time here, than programming, which is ostencivly what Im supposed to be doing
But maybe I am baiting.
It's the most obvious thing I've noticed about your posts. Why?
I'm not making vague references to a number of other posts and leaving you to draw an incorrect conclusion so that I can correct you.
EDIT- Maybe it is me though, lol. I prefer to fry my brain on programming though, not forum chat.
Real reply: You'll know next time not to bite ;)
Bait:
I dont think that happend this time thou.
After you joined the ramdom seed thread halfway through and without reading the whole thread, you posted that I was wrong. And after being shown I wasnt. You found my statement above, and without realy reading it, tried to point out that I was wrong here so as to make yourself feel better.
But I wasnt wrong.
Then you credit me with baiting. But you are the one who went fishing
Bait:
I dont think that happend this time thou.
After you joined the ramdom seed thread halfway through and without reading the whole thread, you posted that I was wrong. And after being shown I wasnt. You found my statement above, and without realy reading it, tried to point out that I was wrong here so as to make yourself feel better.
But I wasnt wrong.
Then you credit me with baiting. But you are the one who went fishing
You're reading way too much into it:) The random seed thread has nothing to do with it. Taken from my last post in the thread you mention:
I have no problem admitting that I was wrong, but (in this thread) you were baiting. You made your contradiction stand out whilst hiding the true meaning. Not sure what else it's supposed to be called.
Yeah, I see what you're getting at now H&K. You're correct too.
I have no problem admitting that I was wrong, but (in this thread) you were baiting. You made your contradiction stand out whilst hiding the true meaning. Not sure what else it's supposed to be called.
No I didnt. I posted ths
Which is not hiding any meaning at all
@********,
"although the copper will still feel as warm as your HDD did"
The HDD and the copper will be at the same temp. So if it feels as warm as your HDD did, then your HDD is the same temp as it was before you put the copper on it.
"although the copper will still feel as warm as your HDD did"
The HDD and the copper will be at the same temp. So if it feels as warm as your HDD did, then your HDD is the same temp as it was before you put the copper on it.
Which is not hiding any meaning at all
Apologies H&K. I was wrong, you were correct. It was nothing to do with any other thread. Mainly confused with the way you worded it.
I go to work now.
I go to work now.
I have bad experience with Maxtor HDs. No joke, since yesterday i have one here to recover datas from it and this is the fourth hd (all Maxtor) that i got with this problem. They all had bad sectors on it and i believe it comes from the heat.
In the summer months they go so hot that you can boiling eggs on it.
My tip: Backup your most importend data so fast as you can and try to get any cooling unit for it.
(btw, sorry for my bad englisch...EPS)
In the summer months they go so hot that you can boiling eggs on it.
My tip: Backup your most importend data so fast as you can and try to get any cooling unit for it.
(btw, sorry for my bad englisch...EPS)