Any sites you guys can reccomend for website design using coding? I want to redo dreamspaced's site from scratch using manually coded stuff. I'm learning towards asp.net as my webspace supports it, but is php better as it also supports that?
Website design using ASP/PHP
Miscellaneous Forums/General Discussion/Website design using ASP/PHP PHP is "better" in that it doesn't require VisualStudio to be useful, and that you (as opposed to say, Microsoft) are in control of which browsers can, and which browsers can't view your website correctly.
In most cases which is better, is down to personal preference / religion.
In most cases which is better, is down to personal preference / religion.
Go down the PHP road dude. PHP is freakin' easy to learn and operate.
It can sure become complex, just depends what mad stuff you need your website to do ;)
If you learn PHP, you might want to dabble with a bit of MySQL too. PHP+MySQL is a powerful combination.
It can sure become complex, just depends what mad stuff you need your website to do ;)
If you learn PHP, you might want to dabble with a bit of MySQL too. PHP+MySQL is a powerful combination.
I'm not sure that you've ever had anything on Dreamspaced which would really require either PHP or ASP. You might possibly be able to save yourself a little time on maintenance by learning one or the other, but I doubt it will possibly be enough to equal the time you will have spent learning it.
What your sites would really benefit from is you learning HTML and CSS. If you still want to go on and learn more, then I would advise PHP over ASP for the reasons already mentioned, but you're going to need to know HTML and CSS first no matter what. A really tightly coded site which is dynamic and low maintenance is no use if the design isn't up to scratch.
What your sites would really benefit from is you learning HTML and CSS. If you still want to go on and learn more, then I would advise PHP over ASP for the reasons already mentioned, but you're going to need to know HTML and CSS first no matter what. A really tightly coded site which is dynamic and low maintenance is no use if the design isn't up to scratch.
Hey man, what Gabriel said :)
Learning XHTML, CSS, PHP and MySQL all at the same time isn't quite as daunting as it sounds. I managed to grasp some fairly intricate points (I now rank as 'neophyte web stumbler' rather than 'goofy know-nothing wannabe') within about a week of starting.
My previous experience of 'web stuff' was dabbling with a little bit of HTML 4.01 on my Amiga (10 years ago).
Before I started with PHP I envisioned it as being something really complex and technical. Once I realised how utterly simple (read "elegant") it is, I was well away.
It didn't hold my interest for too long though. Real life kinda got in the way a bit and when I started feeling all creative again, I found my Blitz3D CD ;D
**EDIT** Oooh ooh! Just remembered, the absolute best thing ever when you want to learn HTML and CSS is to buy one or more VisiBone products. ISTR that one of their products is available as PDF for free (big Googling needed there perhaps). You'll need a semi-decent colour printer and proper high-res paper to print it on though (if you value your eyes).
http://www.visibone.com/
**EVENMOREEDIT**
Confirmed, there's a 13MB PDF version of the VisiBone HTML reference from year 2000 (old, but still gold). A lot of patience with Google is required to find it. I can't link it because I'm suspicious that its free availability is less than kosher.
Learning XHTML, CSS, PHP and MySQL all at the same time isn't quite as daunting as it sounds. I managed to grasp some fairly intricate points (I now rank as 'neophyte web stumbler' rather than 'goofy know-nothing wannabe') within about a week of starting.
My previous experience of 'web stuff' was dabbling with a little bit of HTML 4.01 on my Amiga (10 years ago).
Before I started with PHP I envisioned it as being something really complex and technical. Once I realised how utterly simple (read "elegant") it is, I was well away.
It didn't hold my interest for too long though. Real life kinda got in the way a bit and when I started feeling all creative again, I found my Blitz3D CD ;D
**EDIT** Oooh ooh! Just remembered, the absolute best thing ever when you want to learn HTML and CSS is to buy one or more VisiBone products. ISTR that one of their products is available as PDF for free (big Googling needed there perhaps). You'll need a semi-decent colour printer and proper high-res paper to print it on though (if you value your eyes).
http://www.visibone.com/
**EVENMOREEDIT**
Confirmed, there's a 13MB PDF version of the VisiBone HTML reference from year 2000 (old, but still gold). A lot of patience with Google is required to find it. I can't link it because I'm suspicious that its free availability is less than kosher.
ASP.NET does not require Visual Studio.
Theres free alternatives on www.asp.net.
I don't know PHP but I knnow ASP.NET and love using it.
If you don't want to code to much then there www.dotnetnuke.com
Theres free alternatives on www.asp.net.
I don't know PHP but I knnow ASP.NET and love using it.
If you don't want to code to much then there www.dotnetnuke.com
PHP and ASP are both 'similar' in what they support.
Personally I would pick PHP, I find it a little easier to figure out what';s going on in there and how to do things -- but power-wise they don't differ too much.
One 'nice' thing about PHP is that it is a lot more open than ASP is: You can run PHP on many different platforms, while ASP.net requires a windows-based server.
You can often find PHP hosting cheaper than you can find ASP hosting, simply because a provider can save $600+ on the server by using a free OS like Linux instead of a server edition of Microsoft Windows
Personally I would pick PHP, I find it a little easier to figure out what';s going on in there and how to do things -- but power-wise they don't differ too much.
One 'nice' thing about PHP is that it is a lot more open than ASP is: You can run PHP on many different platforms, while ASP.net requires a windows-based server.
You can often find PHP hosting cheaper than you can find ASP hosting, simply because a provider can save $600+ on the server by using a free OS like Linux instead of a server edition of Microsoft Windows
Our cloverleafgames website is entirely php, each page is created on the fly with components located in our databases. Best thing is that it was so easy to code.
Theres free alternatives on www.asp.net.
You forgot "that suck". I use PHP+MySQL (and with phpMySQL it's even better), and it's worked great for me. Really easy to learn - I picked it up in about a week or so, and it's really useful. Of course, I've never tried ASP, though.
My website is similar to Cloverleaf Games - most of the website is dependent on databases, except for pages like about and contact, which are plain HTML. But PHP made the entire website dynamic, so if I change something on one page, it changes on all the other pages.
To create a "project," I simply enter information in phpMySQL, and it instantly creates it, just like that. All PHP, with a little HTML formatting added in.
My website is similar to Cloverleaf Games - most of the website is dependent on databases, except for pages like about and contact, which are plain HTML. But PHP made the entire website dynamic, so if I change something on one page, it changes on all the other pages.
To create a "project," I simply enter information in phpMySQL, and it instantly creates it, just like that. All PHP, with a little HTML formatting added in.
I've used php, but had to move over to asp because of the type of servers used at work to store websites. They're both easy to learn and very useful for creating maintainable websites.
They proberly "SUCK" if you don't know how to use them!
Another vote for PHP/MySQL here. There are also alot of great open source content management systems out there built on these technologies. Joomla in particular is one of my favourites. www.joomla.org
You can learn PHP / MySQL by writing your own modules. And the templates which define the look of the site are written in HTML and CSS.
It's worth while to know that a vast majority of the sites on the internet (about 70%) are hosted on Linux systems running Apache web servers using PHP and MySQL. All Open source technology!! http://www.nettigritty.com/choosingwebhosting.php
Johnno
You can learn PHP / MySQL by writing your own modules. And the templates which define the look of the site are written in HTML and CSS.
It's worth while to know that a vast majority of the sites on the internet (about 70%) are hosted on Linux systems running Apache web servers using PHP and MySQL. All Open source technology!! http://www.nettigritty.com/choosingwebhosting.php
Johnno