ALERT new Blitz MAX update rumour

Don't wanna land him in it if it's aint so but ... Skidracer said
source:

http://www.blitzbasic.com/Community/posts.php?topic=52841

OMG!!!

Great! ...hold on, I don't own BlitzMax. :(

Well you could get it now cos these release will have fixes and new stuff in it, wooo.

sweet!

I was hoping this would happen sooner rather than later. I'm running upto a release date so I needed some things fixing.

is dat the one with the embedded 3D module easter egg...

... no, really... i heard that...

really, i did...

heard dat on the same phone channel that i heard that tommorrow is money give away day at the banks... so it's gotta be true...

... right


--Mike

Don't confuse the issue with your Psycho babble Red, the only easter eggs you'll find round here are up your a*se ;-) joke OK so don't get funny, please, whine.

This must mean that 1.11 was an internal release as current version is 1.10.

ok...

lets see what we see tommorrow, you proctoeggeater you...

--Mike

tomorrow is a vague concept in these forums due to the international nature of the clientelle. Anyway the keyword in the quote was "hopefully" which is a programming classic that has existing since the first punchcards were invented.

hahahahahahaaa... boy can you dance!!!!

i gotta give that to ya GA...

enjoying those eggs...


--Mike

I take it as a compliment from the verbal Riverdance kid.

hopefully = maybe sometime in the next century

verbal riverdance... you're reachin'... not funneee at all...
i said ya could dance well, not speak...

now just shaddup and do that two step again... will ya... :P


--Mike

Seems the ole saying "better Bed than Red" is true, goodnight.

night...

--Mike

Oooh... if I were poor Simon I'd be *praying* right now!

Lol! Stepped forward before the pistol fired huh? :)

Hey, is this the thread where Vanilla will murmer something about MaxGUI? :P

Soooooo... How long before the 3D mod is released.

*ducks for cover*

The law of averages says one of these rumours has to be true, so either we get a BMax update or Red really does suck eggs with the wrong orifice.

Look how many updates there are in the mod server list -> modserver

Looks like they have done alot of nice updates.

And the modserver's locked. Looks like the release is soon :D

Am I the only one who couldn't care less about the GUI stuff? I thought that was what Blitz+ was wasted on, and that BMax's focus was on games, not applications. Here's hoping there are some 2D optimizations in the update.

yes.. you're probably the only one!! hehe ;)

I thought BlitzMax was general purpose, or if not its heading that way.

You're not the only one - the GUI should have come out after the bug fixes/optimizations and 3d module.

I dont care much for the GUI either, i'd rather the 3D module was sorted as I, and I suspect others, wont be buying it until the 3D side is out and reported as stable.

Having said that, as a developer I can understand why sometimes it is better to do things in an order which suites yourself better than somebody else.

Oh yes that's exactly what Mark does and I'm sure he enjoys coding that way. But that approach only frustrates his paying customers - us.

As long as it fixes things and does not break anything I'll be happy.

I can't believe how many people are failing to see the bigger picture (tm) here.

Apple and Microsoft are both about to embark on new endeavors. Microsft with Longhorn/Vista and DirectX 10, Apple with the Intel platform and Universal Binary thing. Perhaps the delay that you think has been a bad idea because it doesn't appease your own personal tastes, ideas and opinions, is still a good thing for you, as these are issues are not going to magically disapear (unless both Microsoft and Apple go bankrupt in the next 6 months or so) and perhaps what you percieve as a short-term delay, is actually a long-term investment in stable software on modern platforms. After all, what good would having a 3D module that doesn't work on Vista / 0OSX - Intel be? It's not like anyone starting a game now, is going to have it finished before either of these new platforms launch anyway.

Speak for yourself. Not everyone is that short sighted.

games need editors (map, enemy, etc.)

editors.. uh.. 'prefer' GUI

hence, if you want to make games, at some stage you'll adore a GUI, unless you rather spend your precious 3D-time on cooking a GUI with 2d/3d commands and no OS-native event-system..

@Flameduck - When I set out to write a game it gets finished very quickly, if I start a game now it'll be finished before Christmas. So we'll have to agree to differ on that one.

I dont buy into technology that doesnt exist yet. I like playing with 3D but you implied I should buy Max just because I hope it delivers on it's promise and want to buy it if my hope turns out right - but what if it doesnt? As a former DBP customer, i'm not getting stung again, I dont want to repeat that grief. So who is really the short-sighted one?

It took 27 hours for me to finish my first game in Blitz after buying it, it took TGC 5 years to get a language they released to a reasonably stable condition.

I'm a consumer and I buy the best I can afford. "The best" does not involve beta products in any way. As far as I am concerned Blitz3D is still the best 3D development platform for the lone home programmer, i'll goto Max if it emerges as the best, i'll goto Cobra if that emerges at the best. I'll goto DBP if ... no actually, once bitten and all that.

My brand loyalty only lasts as long as the results. Now I'm not mocking anyone who buys BlitzMax, it's multiplatform and it's got 2D which is all some people want, and i'm happy for you to beta test a potential purchase for me, but as for long term investment - I think we work to different timescales.

I'm not personally interested in GUI but I can see why others are. One day I'll do 3D but for now 2D is fine for me. I did 3D 16 years ago when it was barely possible.

Right where is it? I know it's the early hours on the morning in NZ but that's no excuse!

Rubbish! I never said anything like that, implied or otherwise. I have consistently and repeatedly on occasions too numerous to mention said just the opposite.

People whineing for the 3D module over the GUI module. I thought I had made that quite clear previously

Yes, well I would have thought it goes without saying that TGC aren't programming in Blitz.

I agree completely. So why this obsessiveness over the BlitzMAX 3D module?

And soon GUI, which is also what some people want. I would reckon that the GUI module required quite a bit less programming than the 3D engine would. Thus it makes perfect sense to finish the quicker task first. More importantly however, since the GUI is the lesser project, any changes required by the 3D module will be quicker to implement, than if it had been the other way around.

I can't see how anyone could rationally disagree with this.

Do you think they will have fixed issues with win98 support and sound support? I wonder if we can stream .ogg files yet?

I hope so, alot of modules in the modserver have been updated, or at least their versions changed. I think it would have been fixed as alot of people balked about it being the showstopper bug, so I guess it would have had high priority in the bug list. Plus they skipped a version, which might mean extra things have been tweaked and fixed. Only time will tell though!

My only disagreement with you Flameduck is that I appear to have completely misunderstood your first post.

It's becoming a pattern to my day actually - it's shaping up to be a messy one.

I wouldn't have thought Win98 support was really a showstopper. Not even Microsoft have Windows 98 support...

[murmur]mmrrhfl, MaxGUI delmrrrflgbl.[/murmur]

I am much looking forward to polledinput, hook, event, eventqueue etc modules. Yummy. Some interesting 3rd party modules being ditributed there too, gman's irrchlichtwhatever... drool drool.


What an odd thing to say.

I'm just going to ignore everything else. Now that it's apparently out tomorrow I will take my fights to the 3D level and leave the GUI out of it. It's all very well and good that some people would prefer to wait until 2007 to see BMax start receiving it's enhancements, but I'll take that GUI module right now, thanks.

EDIT : Oh yeh, what's those birdie modules about?

Personally I'm just interested in stricter.

I hope it will be case-sensitive also. Otherwise why bother.. cos that is what strict is for. It is better to enforce consistency.

I am looking forwards to autoflushmem and any bug fixes/optimisations as these are the little treats that make the language better.

Gui is a specific thing, not for me... 2D and 3D is my bag.

"I can't see how anyone could rationally disagree with this.", well as Blitz Max is truly OO (and has Strict, yay), if the 3D module compares favourably with Blitz3D it WILL be better because it will be 3D with OO thus leading to more mangeable professional projects imho - there.

I think case sensitive is a pain in the ass, Stict is cool but stricter is not.

pub.freeprocess!!! Does anyone else feel all warm inside or did I pee myself?

> I can't see how anyone could rationally disagree with this.

Don't waste your time arguing with the moan brigade. Most of them will never finish a game anyway.

Grey: I fear this isn't true. As already BM core release with images showed, the chance for a real OO thing aren't that good ... you will always be forced to procedural as BM is taking the same failure steps in its evolution as DX did until MDX was created to get the failures out of the way.

I don't understand that. In my experience I've been forced to use OO methods instead of the procedural function wrappers because said function wrappers aren't actually created.

well... this has been interesting...

--Mike

Still waiting.

My CreditCard is fully functioning and awaits any release. :)

HAUGHLABLAUGHAUAUAGH!!!

lol Amon, when's the expirey date on that card? It could be too soon.

I was about to be mildly sarcastic on the "awaits any release" front, but strangely although I got sent a link via MSN early this morning with BlitzGUI on it, looking now I cannot seem to find it anywhere. Maybe a last minute gremlin or something.

or maybe... maybe it was from the rumors and propaganda division of the hopefull and gullible amongst us guild...


look!!! up in the sky!!! it's a bird... no it's a plane...

no... it's... it's...

it's just a leaf... falling from a tree... must be autumn i guess...

:) :)

--Mike

haha.

I'm gonna start "camping" (like hanging out by the rocket launcher spawn point) on the top of the forum and continually pressing F5 until the version number changes!

This website usually goes down just before something happens.

PS. Grey, Call me if you get it before me :P

Here it is: http://www.blitzbasic.com/Products/maxgui.php

It doesn't seem to be linked from the homepage though and there's no buy icon - so I guess it's just "ready".

Na don't want that. I want a decent working 2d engine with reliable sound support.

IT'S OUT!!!












...soon :P

VIP3R: you had me! for about 0.7 secs and then I went booooo...

"I want a decent working 2d engine with reliable sound support. " me tooo!

I'm too old for this camping lark, my bones my bones. Where are the loos anyway, what? You mean we have to S**T in that hole over there, what kinda campsite is this! Yeah I know it was cheap but there are standards to maintain, we're not blo*dy French u know!

I want it all, last week, and for £1.99.

HAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!! VIPER!!!!!

HAHAHAAAAAAAAA...

they're soooooooo easy...

--Mike

Well yes I totally agree. It seems harsh to critisize Mark because he's obviously worked his socks off to produce it.

But for basic application writing BlitzPlus already fills that gap. And as for the native Operating System GUI I don't like the idea of all games looking the same. So why not write your own user interface that fits better with the game you're writing for? It's not that difficult.

The point is, if we wanted a general language we could have used C++ and an add-on library of sorts. Myself and a few others have said from the very announcement of BlitzMax they wanted a follow-up to Blitz3D - ie simple to use but with more power - not a C++ clone. Writing GUI's and the extra work of implementing over 1 hugely successful Operating System and 2 others just delayed the product massively in the early stages.

BlitzMax is a very impressive language - but it must be an 'Advanced Game Language' rather than a jack of all trades to stand-out. For the long term, sure add all sorts of extras - but get the actual game programming features debugged and optimized first.

I'm hoping there's streaming ogg support in the new version so I don't have to pay for fmod just to stream the occasional song.

Unfortunately, unless you are VERY skilled with Windows API, your custom GUI will not peoperly work with the event-driven architecture of the Windows operating system, not to mention Linux & OS X.

But a game GUI doesn't need to interact with Windows (thank god).

Believe it or not, some people actually write level editors and such for their games, and some people like to make their game moddable by their EUs in which case, you would need editors for that. I am not sure why a select few choose to cower under the bed and wet their pants in fear over a GUI module being released for those who wish to use BMax as a professional development tool.

I was going to add a few norwegian kroner to this discussion, but Steve Elliott already summed it up nicely.

Anyone want a cup of tea whilst we wait? I've got some biscuits somewhere too.

Yeah go on.

Sugar? One lump or Two?

No. But I'll be very happy to be proven wrong.

No it isn't. It's to avoid accidental complexity.

uch. case sensitive. *shudder* But i suppse the option to have it won't annoy anyone who doesn't want it. Indy, can I have some hot chocolate if you've got it? I mean it. I'll supply an address and everything.

And where's your proof that is the case? since you're disagreeing the onus is on you to prove that what you're saying isn't just bs.

Unless you clarify and just say thats your MERE opinion :)

Let me just get this clear:

You WANT to name your variables myVar and MyVar in different places in your code despite knowing they are the same?

No wonder you freaks finish nothing :)

Ermm.... yeah. that's the general idea.

peek and poke your vars! ... (hex-)adresses don't care which case you use.. ^________^

Great idea! We should also do away with URLs. Anytime you want to go to a website, just type the IP address.

Ip addresses are for wimps. You should type in the MAC address the server got on its ethernet card. Dunno if that's possible, but anyway!

There is some merit to peek/poking variables in some (admittedly rare) circumstances, variable size arrays for one - not everything is best addressed by variable stacks. There is no merit to doing away with DNS, except for saddism.

*cries for my dead joke*

Brice: I write level editors... with my own GUI ** shock **. Anyway I've been programming windows GUIs for 9 years and am bored of them OK.

OK, seeing as you've all gone to bed, I'll stay up on an all night Max vigil, wish me luck...

Grey Alien@ you probably need to get out more :)
How much longer will you wait until you realize its not coming out? :)

Tomorrow never comes - by the time you get there, it's today and tomorrow is still a day away. :)

"Grey Alien@ you probably need to get out more :)" Hmm that's been said to me twice today, in fact I'm gonna write some kinda web bot to trawl the forums and find out how many times it's been said ever to me, yeah, that'd be a valuable use of my time!

Well to tell you the truth, many people here will really want this MAX loads more than me as I've only had it a week and only dabbled in it so don't know all the bugs yet. For me, patching it is just "nice" to know it'll be more stable etc.

On the "get out more" front (again), I actually work at home and peruse the forums when I wait for the client/server apps I write for a living to boot or process data or compile and uh ... I just get distracted too. I code games in the evenings and sometimes the day too, but only on evenings when my partner is out or tired or doing something else. I also teach Aikido 5-6 hours a week and go away for a whole weekend of training one a month, that's pretty good as it's totally non-IT and it stops me getting fat.

I need to get out more.

My arse has become part of my chair.

Meh. Going out is over-rated. There are all kinds of nasty things out there - like "people". *shudder*





:P

wtf is a "people"!?

*nerdish laughter followed by poking of NHS glasses back onto face via process of extending middle finger to elastic plaster*

I should have known better that when BRL say a release is for tomorrow to add atleast 3 weeks to that date.

Look on the bright side though Amon, something came out of this thread:

At least now we can be prepared and take a wide birth at any conventions.

lol

[edit] Reds not gonna like that.

You cynics. It should only be a day or two now, though, literally... which is better than "soon", right? I have to say, though, big10p is right...


I only do that in my car... the rest of the time I'm happy to admit I can't see a thing.

Here's a mad idea, infact it's such a crazy and far out idea, I just can't believe I didn't think of it sooner, DO SOME PROGRAMMING! :)

What does that mean?

Note the 4th word from the right. They didn't say it should arrive today. They said it would hopefully arrive today.

I actually want too, i've got a deadline and everything but for the last two weeks I just havn't felt like coding. I've done a few little bits and basically got nowhere with it.

I think i'm getting like this now whenever I have a deadline, maybe I have a phobia about suceeding and i'm subcontiously punishing myself over self hatred from a childhood trauma i've long since forgotten about consciously.

Or 'praps i'm lazy.

... and that's why I mocked Simon! :P

And... what Becky just said.

... but that makes it sounds worse than it is... just give it a day or two.

I only code when I'm dreaming because in my dreams i pwn all of you.

Glad it's not just me that suffers with this. I don't have a deadline but when I don't feel like coding, I find it very difficult to force myself to do any.

Funny thing is, last time I did have a deadline, I coded my ass off for 28Hrs straight and JUST hit the deadline (for a compo). Not sure what that tells me, but anyhoo.

I suppose the trick is to pretend that your coding to save your life. If you truly get in to the mindset that you have to code to save your life I'm thinking you would code like a lunatic.

I think I've got to used to not trying to code but not because I'm lazy but because I just don't get the flow of how things should be done. It's like there's a certain model of the mind that is required to be able to program and program well. It's the thought process and what thoughts and in what motion and order they come in that help a person succeed as a programmer.

That's true, but there's more than one sucessful model for how to "think" as a games programmer. I can tell you right now I dont think anything like any of you guys...

Or become suicidal. I'm not particularly fond of either prospect.

I've got a 15th of november deadline and I'm browsing these forums. Damn you people! You'll be the ones I blame when the times comes. And blame you I will. Individually if necessary. Right, I'm off now. And I won't be back until the 16th.

What are you coding? ;)

A Time Management System, probably. :P

People just have no humor I guess...

Well i'm glad to know theres someone else with identical thinking to mine!

You claim to have owned who, exactly?

Gosh lighten up, yesh.

well I just spent 3 hours perfecting my Quintuple Buffer Dirty Rects system in Blitz Plus so my game will run on really crappy PCs with no 3D cards yet still support cool FX like alpha blending.

I have this problem at the moment where I don't feel like doing commercial coding (which is my day job) but really want to do games programming (which is my hobby soon to be partly commercial). The commercial coding is well paid but it's all Databases, SQLs, GUIs and testing testing testing, yawn.

How many of you wear contacts sometimes instead of glasses and then go to poke your invisible glasses up and then feel dumb and kinda pretend you were having a scratch anyway?

I wear glasses and I treat them like an acessory, so I dont wear contacts. My brother always tells his step-daughter to step away from the screen or she'll have to wear glasses like Auntie Becky, but in reality I wear glasses because I was stung in the eye by a wasp and my eyesight has been detteriorating ever since. :(

Holy crap...you guys are geeky as hell.....but I guess we all are if we're sitting here talking about poking glasses... :P

Then you realize the importance of it for an app. Although if BMax's GUI is as limited as B+'s, then I could see not using it for apps. Oh well, once it is released, it will probably be a few months or more before all the bugs are ironed out anyways.

Maybe officially. The community will have most of the bugs worked out within 2 days ;]

I want update. I want update. Give me update, Yes update. Update! Update! Update!

Not April 1 again is it? What a joke!

I fell asleep on duty, court martial me.

HAH!!! didn't make it through the whole night, eh?!? ;)

> I only code when I'm dreaming because in my dreams i pwn all of you.

Still 'talking' about coding I see then Amon? :)

I went to bed at 2:15 which is kinda normal for me only to discover that my partner is ill and I had to take my eldest son to school, luckily it's only a 5 min walk but I turned up like a zombie. Then I had to go to the supermarket to get some bicarb of soda for her stomach and I looked so knackered I'm sure they must've thought I was buying it to cut Speed or whatever, lol. Currently I'm sitting on the sofa watching "Brum" with my youngest boy getting FA work done, sigh.

For weeks after changing to contact lenses from specs I kept thinking that my glasses were slipping off because I couldn't feel them.

A frantic, heart stopping moment later as my hands shot up to find no glasses there and a quick look to see where they had fallen I realised that I didn't have them on in the first place ^^ *sighs

I am glad I switched to contacts, I used to spend so much time cleaning my specs even when driving, I'm sure I would have had an accident sooner or later.

I wish my vision plan covered laser eye surgery. For years I've worn contacts but lately I can't be bothered to put them in/clean them/etc. so I'm wearing glasses.

*Still waits*

mmm don't think my F5 key has been pressed this many times.

*Leiden darts Diablo, misses and accidently hits Becky Rose*

Ahh well... XD

^_^; you're from New Zealand.. can't you go to Marks house and kick him in the leg?! He seem to have fallen asleep before he got to hit the "upload all" button... :p

LOL I wish, I think he lives around 2hrs drive from where I am. I should visit one time and steal the Max3D source :D

Mark must look at threads like these and feel like packing it all in and becoming a sheep farmer.

/me looks at the 1.12 install on his machine and smiles

mwahahahahahahahaaaa etc.

bahumbug!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Honestly though guys, I'm sure everyone would rather BRL release it when they are happy its right rather than rush is out just because everyone is jumping up and down and shouting "gimme gimme gimme!" ?

A little patience goes a long way.

Well said!

that's true.. besides, James (BlitzSupport) said to only give it a day or two..
(which would mean that you might have it this weekend, or the start of next week..)

Boy, I bet Skidracer regrets making that off-the-cuff remark. Schoolboy error! :)

C'mon, you're all deveopers of some sort - you know how it goes. The finish line ALWAYS seems closer that it actually is, especially when the inevitable, unforseen issues pop up and bite you on the ass. :)

verrrrrryyyyy, verrrrryyyy wellllll said 10p...

maybe this will put a damper on those bigfoot sighting reports we've been getting so many of lately...

:)

--Mike

Argh... Sleep Need Yes! See if its out in the mornin,

I'm telling you guys... all BRL estimates are to be multiplied by 3. If Mark says "it's uploading AS I SPEAK, give it an hour", then 3 hours later it will be done.

huh? I've been darted, hey!

Lads, beat him up for me. :)

<twiddles thumbs>

I wish I only had to multiply my own estimates by 3! :(

Tomorrow in the land of oz really means one week. Sheesh. When someone tells me "tomorrow" I usually add leeway time in periods of 3 - 6 hours. Not MORE DAYS!!!

*3! That means the 3D module won't be out till 2008 -.-

hopefully <> definately :)

haha I must admit this thread is all my fault.

And you WILL be punished. Don't think you won't! :P

nooooo

/me nukes Leiden (with the small side effect of wiping out all the forum members)

If I am not wrong BRL must be sleeping right now or drinking the morning coffee. After all they are humans. So we have to wait till tomorow Or late to night but for us is Friday night so let's go to have some fun for the weekend and cry for this on Mondey.

it's currently 7 am in Auckland.. so I guess Mark's still sleeping!! :D

It might mean it is out in the year 6018

... or that it will be released as a 9D module ...

with hyperspace mapping support.

You lot still here?

sigh... so skid says monday now. isn't that wonderful. >:|

yeah this thread is now obsolete as there's a new rumour

We're figments of your deranged imagination.