what is the best ide for blitz3d?
pls post with plussess and minusses also about the price :(
pls post with plussess and minusses also about the price :(
Best Blitz3d Ide?
Blitz3D Forums/Blitz3D Userlibs/Best Blitz3d Ide? Probably VisualBlitz, considering the price.
I second that. Without doubt the VisualBlitz! It's fantastic.
Protean :)
Download the demo's and decide which one suits your need the best ;) You need to give Protean some time as its got LOADS of features.
Download the demo's and decide which one suits your need the best ;) You need to give Protean some time as its got LOADS of features.
any others?
Or use PSPad is a free Editor very compfortable and free
you can configure it for any Compiler.
http://www.pspad.com/
you can configure it for any Compiler.
http://www.pspad.com/
too bad.i have bought protean :( . hella expensive but nice stuff :)
Another vote for VisualBlitz
Protean is a top notch IDE--they don't get much better for *any* language. It'll also support BlitzMAX --work in progress.
I use the default. I don't see the point of using the others.
I'm all for Protean!
Protean! Works great for me.
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Another vote for the default IDE.
GO DEFALUT IDE!
w00t! The default IDE that comes with Blitz3D is THE BEST EVER!
GO DEFALUT IDE!
w00t! The default IDE that comes with Blitz3D is THE BEST EVER!
don't get it why to use a third party ide ...
Well, the lack of a decent Undo / Redo feature in the default IDE is a good reason to use another one.
I'm using Protean now. Used to use Visualblitz but it doesn't seem to be getting updated any more. Protean is way better once you get used to it being that bit more complicated.
A big thumbs up for Protean here. Like Gfk says it takes a bit of getting used to but once you've set it up to suit yourself it really increases your productivity.
it really increases your productivity.
It wouldn't increase mine :D (6 months spent on the same simple project that a buffoon could do while sleeping).
I have checked out protean and it seemed pretty cool though, once I got the actual text part of the IDE to span more than 5 pixels...
for me ... Protean! the best!
Protean is really good and there is also a verygood blitzmax version... Using them booth everyday!
/Alienforce
/Alienforce
defualt IDE here as well. I've tried every single one of the other oens but keep going back for some reason. If you want an IDE chalked full of features go with protean.
Default IDE here too. Can't be arsed to ponce around with the other ones.
DEFAULT!!!!!!!
DEFAULT RULZ!!!!!
DEFAULT RULZ!!!!!
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Two words
Function Folding
The IDE I use is just called IDE. its incomplete but it does function folding which makes it 10 times more attractive than the (perfectly usable) default (sorry mark ;) )it also has a colour chooser which is quite handy and hot key block insertion (functions types loops etc) and the context sensitive help links to the manual nicely.
Downloaded it about 2 years ago I'd guess and never bothered updating it. cant even remember where I got it now and cant find out as the "visit homepage" in the about dialog doesnt work :D
Two words
Function Folding
The IDE I use is just called IDE. its incomplete but it does function folding which makes it 10 times more attractive than the (perfectly usable) default (sorry mark ;) )it also has a colour chooser which is quite handy and hot key block insertion (functions types loops etc) and the context sensitive help links to the manual nicely.
Downloaded it about 2 years ago I'd guess and never bothered updating it. cant even remember where I got it now and cant find out as the "visit homepage" in the about dialog doesnt work :D
When you guys that use the default IDE ever do bigger projects... you pray for function folding and project management. When you have a hundred include files... it's not even funny with the default ide no more :) lol...
If only the default IDE had the function list alphabetically sorted...!!!
Sigh !
Ah, nearly forgotten: default IDE for me. But looking around fot other sexy editors...
Sergio.
Sigh !
Ah, nearly forgotten: default IDE for me. But looking around fot other sexy editors...
Sergio.
If only the default IDE had the function list alphabetically sorted...!!!
Protean has this feature. I own both VisualBlitz and Protean IDEs so I can assess this more clearly.
As far as the popular commercial IDEs go (Visual Blitz and Proteam, that is) it depends on what you're looking for. Overall you'll probably like Visual Blitz better if you're just looking for an improvement over the default IDE. For more advanced users, Protean has a lot of features other IDEs (commercial or free) just don't have. The interface is totally customizable and has a better handle on project development.
The one issue I found with Visual Blitz thus far is with larger projects where you're making changes in an include file and then hit run, it'll try to compile the include file because it's the currently selected document, as opposed to being told what the main source document is that should be run whenever you hit F5. It's nothing really, though.
Get Protean only if you require a lot out of your IDE. Otherwise, you'll be very happy with Visual Blitz and the itty bitty $15 price tag.
As far as the popular commercial IDEs go (Visual Blitz and Proteam, that is) it depends on what you're looking for. Overall you'll probably like Visual Blitz better if you're just looking for an improvement over the default IDE. For more advanced users, Protean has a lot of features other IDEs (commercial or free) just don't have. The interface is totally customizable and has a better handle on project development.
The one issue I found with Visual Blitz thus far is with larger projects where you're making changes in an include file and then hit run, it'll try to compile the include file because it's the currently selected document, as opposed to being told what the main source document is that should be run whenever you hit F5. It's nothing really, though.
Get Protean only if you require a lot out of your IDE. Otherwise, you'll be very happy with Visual Blitz and the itty bitty $15 price tag.
visual blitz is really nice, particularly for newbies like me, as it has a drop down list of commands that appear as you type, so you can often learn new things without having to look for them.
The protean demo I tried completely blows everything else away, and the only missing feature I liked was the autocomplete I mentioned previously. Otherwise there's no comparrison.
lots of useful tools, folding functions, types etc, colour blocks etc can be assigned to different kinds of code, so fora visual person like me it's really easy to find my way around, and flod away things in my code I'm not concerned with.
One other feature that would prove useful for me, would be folding comment blocks for blitz3D. looks like the Blitzmax version has REM/endrem which folds in protean, meaning you can optimize your workspace a lot easier.
As a newbie programmer, I'm often using the editor as a sketchpad to try out new things and having loads of visible blocks of commented code gets in the way of easily reading the flow of what I'm doing.
Once you use either visualblitz or protean there really isn't any turning back. I'm going to buy protean once taxes are out the way and in the meantime have to suffer the default without an Undo.
The Bmax ide isn't too bad though, and does have some extra functionality including undo :)
The protean demo I tried completely blows everything else away, and the only missing feature I liked was the autocomplete I mentioned previously. Otherwise there's no comparrison.
lots of useful tools, folding functions, types etc, colour blocks etc can be assigned to different kinds of code, so fora visual person like me it's really easy to find my way around, and flod away things in my code I'm not concerned with.
One other feature that would prove useful for me, would be folding comment blocks for blitz3D. looks like the Blitzmax version has REM/endrem which folds in protean, meaning you can optimize your workspace a lot easier.
As a newbie programmer, I'm often using the editor as a sketchpad to try out new things and having loads of visible blocks of commented code gets in the way of easily reading the flow of what I'm doing.
Once you use either visualblitz or protean there really isn't any turning back. I'm going to buy protean once taxes are out the way and in the meantime have to suffer the default without an Undo.
The Bmax ide isn't too bad though, and does have some extra functionality including undo :)
Protean rocks. Takes a few minutes to set it up how you want, but once it's going, it does everything a good IDE should.
Brain Editor Pro, Visual Blitz had a huge lack of updates, and lack of support, everytime I emailed ED I got the ol' I'm working on a game project so I can't make an update now, and I 'm like thats fine, but your game should come 2nd, especially when you have a product you promise updates on, to paying customers, and then slowly allow them to drop off to nothing.
I asked him for one update, and over the course of over 2 months he couldn't get it in, a friggin todo feature, its there, just doesn't work... <g> how hard would this have been to throw in, either store to simple text file, or reg, or whatever, and 3 version updates came and went with not even a change to the todo feature, or an email back, except to say I am sorry I am too busy at this moment, an I will try to get it in the next update, and low and behold that was 3 updates earlier, and nothing...
So I requested a refund, and I can say, he did act promply on that request, which I promptly used to purchase Brain Edit Pro, which support Blitz3D w/ todo list, project support, exe compilation, debugging etc, case sensitive helpm, function folding, etc.., hmmm also, he just released a help convertor which now makes it even easier to add addon libs help files to the db files for help and context hints etc..
and not only blitz3d support, but also, dark basic pro, 3d rad, 3d game studio, Torque, all of which I own! and for about the same money, imho, nothing can beat BEP especially since the owner / programmer, has been very open minded and helpful about promptly fixing any bugs and even adding features we request, I beta test for him, and have helped get several issues fixed, and new features added, and it didn't take 3 updates, or month"S" not he plural there to get it done.
Sorry, I'll get off my box now, but I am really p'o'd since Ed kinda blew one of my projects off schedule by lack of updates, and it was kinda important since it was for a contest, so I suggest everyone check out Brain Edit Pro, as he is even improving the torque support, to include C/C++ and better debugging features, which means BEP will also be able to be used to edit C, C++ sourcecode and header files.
Enjoy!
Ken - Owner MirroVision Studios
http://www.pain-killa.com/
copyright(c)2005 - All Rights Reserved.
I asked him for one update, and over the course of over 2 months he couldn't get it in, a friggin todo feature, its there, just doesn't work... <g> how hard would this have been to throw in, either store to simple text file, or reg, or whatever, and 3 version updates came and went with not even a change to the todo feature, or an email back, except to say I am sorry I am too busy at this moment, an I will try to get it in the next update, and low and behold that was 3 updates earlier, and nothing...
So I requested a refund, and I can say, he did act promply on that request, which I promptly used to purchase Brain Edit Pro, which support Blitz3D w/ todo list, project support, exe compilation, debugging etc, case sensitive helpm, function folding, etc.., hmmm also, he just released a help convertor which now makes it even easier to add addon libs help files to the db files for help and context hints etc..
and not only blitz3d support, but also, dark basic pro, 3d rad, 3d game studio, Torque, all of which I own! and for about the same money, imho, nothing can beat BEP especially since the owner / programmer, has been very open minded and helpful about promptly fixing any bugs and even adding features we request, I beta test for him, and have helped get several issues fixed, and new features added, and it didn't take 3 updates, or month"S" not he plural there to get it done.
Sorry, I'll get off my box now, but I am really p'o'd since Ed kinda blew one of my projects off schedule by lack of updates, and it was kinda important since it was for a contest, so I suggest everyone check out Brain Edit Pro, as he is even improving the torque support, to include C/C++ and better debugging features, which means BEP will also be able to be used to edit C, C++ sourcecode and header files.
Enjoy!
Ken - Owner MirroVision Studios
http://www.pain-killa.com/
copyright(c)2005 - All Rights Reserved.
I'm using IndEd right now. Though it was giving me a bit of trouble before, after a few updates it has been working quite well with Blitz, especially for a free IDE :) It has fantastic support to. All of my problems were responded to within 24 hours, and fixed via a public update extremely quickly.
Hey, ow do you get refunds on downloaded software anyway??!
Hey, ow do you get refunds on downloaded software anyway??!
Visual Blitz had a huge lack of updates, and lack of support, everytime I emailed ED I got the ol' I'm working on a game project
I love Visual Blitz, and I happily use it. Any time I emailed Ed about a support question, I got a reply within 24 hours. When I noticed I had missed a couple of updates and emailed him to inquire about how to get the latest registered version, I had a relpy within 24 hours, along with a download link to the latest registered version. Brain Editor Pro,
I have not used it in years, but it was always rock-solid stable, and the author is very attentive and quick to fix bugs or provide help. I would definitely recommend this over Protean. with not even a change to the todo feature,
The BEST and ONLY todo program I use is e-Todo as an added bonus, it is free. visualblitz if your worried about $
..I'm 100% for default IDE...
Default here too, but if I had money floating about I'd get Protean or VisualBlitz
defalt
Visual Blitz Here
Default? 1 level of undo! I don't know how you people get any work done...
Default? 1 level of undo! I don't know how you people get any work done...
We just don't make any mistakes when coding! :P
Seriously though, I don't like using undo, anyway. I don't trust it. I'm sure there'd be occasions when I'd accidentally undo too much, thus causing havoc in my code. :/
I now use my own W.I.P. 60% done IDE.
Seriously though, I don't like using undo, anyway. I don't trust it. I'm sure there'd be occasions when I'd accidentally undo too much, thus causing havoc in my code. :/
... wtf?
... wtf?
e.g. I have a complex function. I rewrite/add code to improve/add functionality or optimize it. It doesn't work, so I use multiple undo. Unfortunately, I can't remember exactly how far back to undo to ("Do I undo this line of code, or was it in the original?"). Confusion ensues.
If multiple undo works for you, great. I'm all made up for ya'.
Man ... Some of you guys are scary. :) I really can't see how anyone can use any application with a single level of undo but if it works for you, great!
Don't worry Warren, you're not the only one =]
have buy Protean Ide, 3 month no update :( , 40 $ lost <_< , he just 'run' away
Protean isn't receiving updates, but it's not $40 'lost'. You get a very nice, capable IDE for that money which is, IMO, definitely worth it. I haven't found any unusable bugs to incapacitate it.
Well, it was worth it now as much as it was worth it 3 months ago, anyways. The price of a product does not diminish with the date of the version tag...