Toolbar position doesn't appear to do anything?

I am trying to create several toolbars in one window. I am using my own divider gadget to place between them. However, they always appear at the very left of the window, no matter what x values I give them, so I can't space them out.

to move or place more than one toolbar in a window
you must put them in panel.

I wonder if x,y params are useless..